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What is the definition of Gold?

It is a soft, yellow, corrosion-resistant element, the most malleable and ductile metal, occurring in veins and alluvial deposits. A good thermal and electrical conductor, gold is generally alloyed to increase its strength. The Physical and Chemical Properties are the characteristics of a substance, like Gold, which distinguishes it from any other substance.


What are the Physical Properties of Gold?
Color Bright Yellow
Luster It has a shine or glow
Ductility It can be beaten into extremely thin sheets of gold leaf
Malleability Capable of being shaped or bent
Conductivity Good electrical conductor
Solubility Solubility (ability to be dissolved)
Hardness A relatively soft metal, gold is usually hardened by alloying with copper, silver, or other metals.
Density It is a dense metal
Melting point It melts at 1065°C

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Zimbabwe to introduce gold coins as local currency tumbles

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July 5, 2022

Zimbabwe to introduce gold coins as local currency tumbles

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HARARE, July 5 (Reuters) - Zimbabwe's central bank said it would start selling gold coins this month as a store of value to tame runaway inflation, which has considerably weakened the local currency.

The central bank governor John Mangudya said in a statement on Monday that the coins will be available for sale from July 25 in local currency, U.S. dollars and other foreign currencies at a price based on the prevailing international price of gold and the cost of production.

The "Mosi-oa-tunya" coin, named after Victoria falls, can be converted into cash and be traded locally and internationally, the central bank said.

The gold coin will contain one troy ounce of gold and will be sold by Fidelity Gold Refinery, Aurex and local banks, it added.

Gold coins are used by investors internationally to hedge against inflation and wars.

Last week, Zimbabwe more than doubled its policy rate to 200% from 80% and outlined plans to make the U.S. dollar legal tender for the next five years to boost confidence.

Soaring inflation in the southern African country has been piling pressure on a population already struggling with shortages and stirring memories of economic chaos years ago under veteran leader Robert Mugabe’s near four-decade rule.

Annual inflation, which hit almost 192% in June, cast a shadow over President Emmerson Mnangagwa’s bid to revitalise the economy.

Zimbabwe abandoned its inflation-ravaged dollar in 2009, opting instead to use foreign currencies, mostly the U.S. dollar. The government reintroduced the local currency in 2019, but it has rapidly lost value again.

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Biden, G-7 Will Ban Russian Gold Imports

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Biden, G-7 Will Ban Russian Gold Imports

by Tyler Durden
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Having sparked hyperinflation in European gas prices and record energy costs around the globe with their poorly conceived and implemented Russian energy sanctions which have backfired spectacularly, allowing Moscow to reap record energy export profits and China and India to buy oil far below spot prices while leaving US motorists paying record prices at the pump, on Sunday the Biden admin alongside the G-7 announced that they will ban Russian gold imports to "further impose financial costs on Moscow for its invasion of Ukraine."

The import ban will apply to gold leaving Russia for G-7 countries for the first time, and will be codified by the US Treasury Department on Tuesday.


A worker removes gold ingots from molds at a metals plant in Kasimov, Russia.Photographer: Andrey Rudakov/Bloomberg


“The United States has imposed unprecedented costs on Putin to deny him the revenue he needs to fund his war against Ukraine,” Biden tweeted on Sunday, the first day of a G7 meeting in Germany; a formal announcement is expected later on during the summit.

“Together, the G7 will announce that we will ban the import of Russian gold, a major export that rakes in tens of billions of dollars for Russia” he added.While Western sanctions to punish Russia have largely closed European and US markets to gold from the world’s second-biggest bullion miner, the G-7 pledge would mark a total severance between Russia and the world’s top two trading centers, London and New York, largely a purely symbolic escalation.“What this does is formalize what the gold industry has already done anyway,” said Adrian Ash, head of research at brokerage BullionVault.

As a reminder, back in March the LBMA, or London Bullion Market Association, removed Russian gold refineries from its accredited list. As a result, shipments between Russia and London have collapsed to almost zero since the invasion of Ukraine.

Furthermore, an executive order signed by Biden on April 15 explicitly prohibits U.S. persons from engaging in gold-related transactions involving Russia’s central bank, the country’s National Wealth Fund or its finance ministry.

While refineries in theory could still import Russian gold directly, most of them have sworn off doing so. The association for Swiss refiners, which dominate the industry, denied that its members bought gold from Russia after trade data indicated the nation’s bullion had entered the country.

The official talking point here, encapsulated by the pro-Biden outlet, The Hill, is that "while it does not bring in as much money as energy, gold is a major source of revenue for the Russian economy. Restricting exports to G7 economies will cause more financial strain to Russia as it wages the war in."

That, of course, is incorrect: the biggest buyers of gold in recent years have not been G7 countries (United States, France, Canada, Germany, Japan, the United Kingdom and Italy), many of whom naively sold much if not all their gold in the recent past and have refused or simply don't have the funds to restock; instead purchases have all been by developing nation central banks (like India and Turkey, and of course China which however has a habit of only revealing its true gold inventory every decade or so) who have been quietly preparing to do what Russia is doing by dedollarizing and instead allocating capital into a counterparty-free asset.





As for Russia, its central bank has been an aggressive buyer of gold, not seller, and if anything Biden's decision will only make the gold market the latest to follow the example of oil and bifurcate: cheaper for Russian-friends and much more expensive for Russian enemies.

Still, the Hill is right in that the U.S. and its allies have been searching for more and creative ways to punish Russia for the Ukraine war that recently entered its fifth month. And whereas Biden has announced waves of penalties coordinated with allies that range from sanctions on Russian officials and oligarchs to export controls to sanctions on major Russian banks, so far the Russian ruble, which Biden gladly mocked back in February as "rubble", has since risen to a seven-year high against the euro.





Meanwhile, Europeans are also limited in what they can do because of their dependence on Russian energy imports. European countries have vowed to phase out Russian oil but have not taken steps like the U.S. to do so immediately because they simply can't. And the ironic think is that while European should be buying more gold to protect the purchasing power of their currencies ahead of the mass printing tsunami that is coming when the next recession begins, they are now voluntarily barring themselves from doing so.

As for "punishing" Russia, here is a chart of the US vs Russian current account balance: guess who is at a record surplus and who is at a record deficit.





Biden administration officials also teased new announcements to squeeze Russia ahead of Biden’s trip to Europe and it’s possible there will be more announcements beyond the plan to ban Russian gold imports. We expect all of them to backfire, especially if Biden decides to also target other Russian metals exports. As a reminder, unlike gold, flows of other metals from Russia such as copper, nickel and palladium have continued uninterrupted as Russia is simply irreplaceable in those supply chains and the commodities industry grapples with managing a long-held relationship with a major supplier of the world’s raw materials.

As for the price of gold, what happens when the second biggest gold mining nation in the world and a major source of supply is cut off from the western market...





... even if it is still allowed to transact freely with the "rest of the world" which accounts for roughly 80% of the population, and will most likely simply boost sales to China and the Middle East, both of whom will be happy to continue purchasing Russian gold? We'll find out in a few hours.

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Re: Whatever the Fed's got gold can take it... so far

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The S&P 500 is looking at a weekly loss of 5% as it falls deeper into bear-market territory.
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Ayup.
And, unlike the Y2K bubble bursting, my power companies
went down just like everything else in my portfolio.

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";We are still supportive in the very near term, as we expect monetary and fiscal policy to tighten, but not as quickly as inflation," the analysts said.
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June 17, 2022

Whatever the Fed's got gold can take it... so far

by Neils Christensen

(Kitco News) - The gold market is looking to end the week with a 2% loss; however, many precious metals investors see the price action as a major victory with gold standing up to the most aggressive Federal Reserve in nearly 30 years.

With inflation hitting a fresh 40-year high last month the Federal Reserve had no choice but to raise interest rates by 75 basis points this week. At the same time the central bank also signed further aggressive action as it now sees interest rates potentially rising to 3.5% by the end of this year and hitting 4.00% in 2023.

Markets are even pricing in another 75 basis point move next month as Federal Reserve Chair Powell said that inflation remains the biggest threat to the economy.

Despite this hawkish sentiment, gold prices are ending the week just below $1,850 an ounce, which has been a critical psychological level for the past month. Broadly, although gold prices ending the week in negative territory, they continue to outperform equities. The S&P 500 is looking at a weekly loss of 5% as it falls deeper into bear-market territory.

Gold prices remain relatively unchanged so far this year, while the broad stock market index is down nearly 23%.

Volatility in the marketplace is one significant reason why gold has held its ground in the face of the Federal Reserve's aggressive monetary policy tightening. Inflation continues to rise and the Fed's hawkish stance is raising the risks that the economy falls into a recession.

George Milling-Stanley, Chief Gold Strategist at State Street Global Advisors, told Kitco earlier this year that gold has nothing to fear from the Fed and it is proving right. This week he noted that gold wins no matter what the Fed does.

As to how much gold an investor should ow, Milling-Stanley said that research shows that the optimal level of gold in a portfolio is around 10%; during turbulent times that level can double. If these aren't turbulent times then I don't know what is.

Milling-Stanley isn't the only optimistic analysts in the marketplace. Commodity analysts at Societe Generale said that gold prices could push back above $2,000 an ounce in the third quarter.

";We are still supportive in the very near term, as we expect monetary and fiscal policy to tighten, but not as quickly as inflation," the analysts said.

Finally, it appears that the debate between gold and bitcoin as the best store of value has been settled. This has not been a good week for the cryptocurrency markets after Celsius Network announced that it was halting all transactions on its platform. Bitcoin the leading crypto currency is now testing support just above $20,000 an ounce. Bitcoin is down a whopping 55% year-to-date.

Some analysts are expecting further pain in digital currencies as rising interest rates reduces market liquidity.

http://www.kitco.com/news/2022-06-17/Whatever-the-Fed-s-got-gold-can-take-it-so-far.html


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Whatever the Fed's got gold can take it... so far

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Whatever the Fed's got gold can take it... so far

by Neils Christensen

(Kitco News) - The gold market is looking to end the week with a 2% loss; however, many precious metals investors see the price action as a major victory with gold standing up to the most aggressive Federal Reserve in nearly 30 years.

With inflation hitting a fresh 40-year high last month the Federal Reserve had no choice but to raise interest rates by 75 basis points this week. At the same time the central bank also signed further aggressive action as it now sees interest rates potentially rising to 3.5% by the end of this year and hitting 4.00% in 2023.

Markets are even pricing in another 75 basis point move next month as Federal Reserve Chair Powell said that inflation remains the biggest threat to the economy.

Despite this hawkish sentiment, gold prices are ending the week just below $1,850 an ounce, which has been a critical psychological level for the past month. Broadly, although gold prices ending the week in negative territory, they continue to outperform equities. The S&P 500 is looking at a weekly loss of 5% as it falls deeper into bear-market territory.

Gold prices remain relatively unchanged so far this year, while the broad stock market index is down nearly 23%.

Volatility in the marketplace is one significant reason why gold has held its ground in the face of the Federal Reserve's aggressive monetary policy tightening. Inflation continues to rise and the Fed's hawkish stance is raising the risks that the economy falls into a recession.

George Milling-Stanley, Chief Gold Strategist at State Street Global Advisors, told Kitco earlier this year that gold has nothing to fear from the Fed and it is proving right. This week he noted that gold wins no matter what the Fed does.

As to how much gold an investor should ow, Milling-Stanley said that research shows that the optimal level of gold in a portfolio is around 10%; during turbulent times that level can double. If these aren't turbulent times then I don't know what is.

Milling-Stanley isn't the only optimistic analysts in the marketplace. Commodity analysts at Societe Generale said that gold prices could push back above $2,000 an ounce in the third quarter.

";We are still supportive in the very near term, as we expect monetary and fiscal policy to tighten, but not as quickly as inflation," the analysts said.

Finally, it appears that the debate between gold and bitcoin as the best store of value has been settled. This has not been a good week for the cryptocurrency markets after Celsius Network announced that it was halting all transactions on its platform. Bitcoin the leading crypto currency is now testing support just above $20,000 an ounce. Bitcoin is down a whopping 55% year-to-date.

Some analysts are expecting further pain in digital currencies as rising interest rates reduces market liquidity.

http://www.kitco.com/news/2022-06-17/Whatever-the-Fed-s-got-gold-can-take-it-so-far.html




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The ‘real reasons’ to own gold

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June 6, 2022

The ‘real reasons’ to own gold: Facts and fallacies

by Jeff Christian and Gary Wagner
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Gold is a long-term inflation hedge and safe haven, said Gary Wagner, Editor of the GoldForecast.com and Jeff Christian, Managing Director of the CPM Group.

Speaking to David Lin, Anchor and Producer at Kitco News, Wagner and Christian agreed that under certain conditions, gold is also a hedge against stock market volatility.

Gold, An Inflation Hedge?

Addressing the idea that gold’s role as an inflation hedge means that the price should follow the rate of inflation, Christian explained that the metal does not hedge on a short-term basis, nor does it move up when inflation is constant in the low single-digits.

“The correlation between changes in inflation and changes in gold prices is 9 percent,” he explained. “… Gold is good at protecting you against hyperinflation, but it’s not particularly good at protecting you from that gnawing 1 to 3 percent inflation.”

Hyperinflation is often defined as a at least a 50 percent monthly rise in prices.

Although Wagner agreed with Christian’s analysis, he added that gold is a long-term inflation hedge. “Gold is an excellent hedge against inflation, but it’s not sensitive to short-term moves,” he said. “But over time, what we have seen is that it has the same buying power.”

Wagner provided an example to illustrate his point.

“In 1910, with one ounce of gold, you could buy a night at the Plaza… you could buy a nice suit… and a steak dinner,” he said. An ounce of gold today can still purchase those same items, according to Wagner.

Gold as a Safe Haven

Christian defined a safe haven asset as having a low correlation to stocks and bonds, and thus protects investors against volatility. “Overall the correlation [between gold and equities] is negative 4 to 5 percent in the long-run” noting that gold is a long-term safe haven asset.

Stock markets have experienced major sell-offs, with the S&P 500 down 13 percent year-to-date.

Christian added that these recent events demonstrate gold’s safe haven properties. “The second quarter has been bad for gold and silver, and they’ll probably be down,” he explained.

“But, if you look at the first quarter… silver was the best-performing asset of 11 asset classes at 7.7 percent increase over the first quarter. Gold was second best at 6.6. [percent]… Anybody who tells you that gold and silver haven’t done their job in protecting the value of their portfolio, this is American education at its worst,” he said.

Wagner said that in general, equities and gold move in opposite directions. However, he highlighted quantitative easing as an exception to this trend.

“If you look back to 2008, when they were flooding liquidity into the markets… you had both U.S. equities and gold moving up,” he said.

Supply Shortages, The Fed, and Inflation

Wagner posited that U.S. inflation is due to supply shortages, exacerbated by the Ukraine conflict. He added that this is far from “transitory,” saying, “Are [inflationary pressures] transitory? I think they’re a lot more persistent than the Fed assumes that they were. My sense is that inflationary pressures will run high at least through the end of the year, maybe the first quarter of next.”

Wagner added that the war in Ukraine needs to be resolved before prices return to stability.

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Re: Long-term chart

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Re: “So, when ya go to redeem the gold one owns, can you expect to get the market price when ya sell them back ??”
Yep. The spot price - usually the end-of-day spot price - plus or minus whatever commission the business charges, depending on whether you're buying or selling. As I showed, there's a big difference between the businesses. Some charge huge commissions and some relatively little.

Some sites sell gold they don't even possess, funneling new purchases almost directly to buyers who may be in line waiting for their bullion. When that happens, the backorders may prompt the business to waive or lower the commission on the gold it needs to acquire.

You asked how it works if you "don't necessarily want to have the physical gold"... and I don't know. It's probably a bit like buying and selling stock, where you have to trust that your broker is doing what he claims. Keep in mind that physical gold is in short supply and it really does appear that impossible amounts trade every day. To me, that means what's going on is fraudulent. I wouldn't trust it. If the company goes bankrupt... or if you ever want physical possession of what some broker is supposedly holding for you... will you be able to get it? Maybe not.

In exchange for making you assume that risk, I think you'll find that the companies holding PM (precious metal) usually charge a smaller commission. Some of them also have an annual storage fee, though.

IMO, physical is the way to go but... I suggest becoming familiar with BullionVault and its order board: https://www.bullionvault.com/order-board.do . If you pursue this, you'll soon know more about it than I do.






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Re: “So, when ya go to redeem the gold one owns, can you expect to get the market price when ya sell them back ??”
Yep. The spot price - usually the end-of-day spot price - plus or minus whatever commission the business charges, depending on whether you're buying or selling. As I showed, there's a big difference between the businesses. Some charge huge commissions and some relatively little.

Some sites sell gold they don't even possess, funneling new purchases almost directly to buyers who may be in line waiting for their bullion. When that happens, the backorders may prompt the business to waive or lower the commission on the gold it needs to acquire.

You asked how it works if you "don't necessarily want to have the physical gold"... and I don't know. It's probably a bit like buying and selling stock, where you have to trust that your broker is doing what he claims. Keep in mind that physical gold is in short supply and it really does appear that impossible amounts trade every day. To me, that means what's going on is fraudulent. I wouldn't trust it. If the company goes bankrupt... or if you ever want physical possession of what some broker is supposedly holding for you... will you be able to get it? Maybe not.

In exchange for making you assume that risk, I think you'll find that the companies holding PM (precious metal) usually charge a smaller commission. Some of them also have an annual storage fee, though.

IMO, physical is the way to go but... I suggest becoming familiar with BullionVault and its order board: https://www.bullionvault.com/order-board.do . If you pursue this, you'll soon know more about it than I do.








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Hi De!

Back from messing around with clients..

Hey, that price check at Boston Bullion is great.
So, when ya go to redeem the gold one owns, can you expect to get the market price when ya sell them back ??

How does that work?

OR, if I were to buy a LOT of Gold say somewhere and don't necessarily wantto have the physical gold, can I cash it in later when I think it is time to sell??

Just trying to wrap my head around this.. I dang sure don't want the gubmint deciding I need to ante up my physical gold to them cause Biden has spent us into oblivion .......

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Hi De!

Back from messing around with clients..

Hey, that price check at Boston Bullion is great.
So, when ya go to redeem the gold one owns, can you expect to get the market price when ya sell them back ??

How does that work?

OR, if I were to buy a LOT of Gold say somewhere and don't necessarily wantto have the physical gold, can I cash it in later when I think it is time to sell??

Just trying to wrap my head around this.. I dang sure don't want the gubmint deciding I need to ante up my physical gold to them cause Biden has spent us into oblivion .......

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Re: “So, with these things in mind, as the resident Gold investor and researcher, WHY should someone BUY GOLD and what do you do with it if you buy Physical gold when you want to sell it?”
Thanks micro.

Gold doesn't just come in 1oz portions. Gold sovereigns and francs weigh in at .186 ounces and are smaller than a penny. You can buy and sell them from/to any reputable coin dealer.

Similarly, the shops that sell krugerrands, American Eagles, Chinese Pandas, Canadian Maple Leafs, etc., will buy them from customers. There's usually a commission whether the customer is buying or selling. Today, for instance, gold is $1,868/oz, and a 1oz and an American Eagle is $2,144 at Lear Capital. That's a $276 commission, which is very high. That's partly because American Eagles are collectibles but it's mostly because Lear Capital advertises on Fox News and charges customers an arm and a leg. You'll get a better price on the less collectible South African krugerrand... currently $2,124 at Lear.... and still better with a 1 oz gold bar - which Lear doesn't sell.

If you're making a sizeable transaction, 10 oz or more, a local jeweler will probably be happy to work with you. I've never gone that route, though, so I don't have practical tips on what might be involved. Make phone calls.

BTW, I just checked a different site, BostonBullion. Its Krugerrands - which, like the American Eagle, contain a full ounce of gold - are $1,915 right now. Only $47 over spot! Lear Capital, clearly, is ripping people off.

Also, BostonBullion.com has a prominently displayed "Sell To Us" tab: https://bostonbullion.com/sell-to-us/






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Re: “So, with these things in mind, as the resident Gold investor and researcher, WHY should someone BUY GOLD”
You shouldn't buy gold as an investment. Period. You should buy gold as INSURANCE - insurance against inflation. And since high inflation is certain, it's cheap insurance.

Let me ask you: You have a guaranteed 7 percent rate of return on one of your investments. If inflation is also 7 percent, then what is your real return? Do you think there is much chance of inflation running HIGHER than 7 percent? If so, then gold's value as an inflation hedge becomes apparent.

Does gold really function as an inflation hedge? Certainly not day-to-day. Gold could fall $50 tomorrow even as inflation worsens. What you'd find, though, is that over time, gold does a terrific job of offsetting the inevitable debasement of fiat money. If a house costs $300,000 today, or 157 ounces of gold, you could go back 100 years and buy a comparable house for those same 157 ounces of gold. The buying power of gold might go up or it might go down week by week, but over time, it stays the same. Fiat currencies, on the other hand, ALWAYS go down over the long haul, and they don't come back. Hence, gold is insurance. Not an investment.

That's not to say you couldn't catch gold on an upswing and make a lot of money. That can and has happened, as has the opposite. But, unless you know something, coming out ahead by betting on the short term ups and downs of gold requires luck.








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Hi De!

You are officially "The GOLD Standard" ! lol!!!

Seriously, the chart is a great place to begin. I will point oiut that gold has risen $600.-$700 in 4 years.. Considering that it was around $1200 in 2018 that's not a BAD Rate of return

Around 32 percent over 4 years. That is 8 percent per annum.
That said, its expensive to get into because of the cost per ounce . Zim might could buy 100 ounces as an initial buy but he has wisely invested in sticks that pay dividends, which is the gift that keeps on giving.. I like that move..

I do not own gold or silver.. I have thought about it but can't quite seem to pull the trigger...

I am guaranteed a minimum 7 percent annual increase on my investments.. It matters not what the markets do, its seven percent per annum at the low end.


So, with these things in mind, as the resident Gold investor and researcher, WHY should someone BUY GOLD and what do you do with it if you buy Physical gold when you want to sell it?

I mean, I can't go to the store and use Gold coins to pay for things.. And I need to worry that my own government would likely try to confiscate my physical gold as it has become more of a tyranny than a government.


Anyway, I have bookmarkeed tis site and look forward to reading more.. As you know, I am not a huge poster due to time constraints.

Best wishes on this new board De !!

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Current Quote, 10 oz bar, Boston Bullion

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Gold is presently $1,867/oz. The advertised price on a 10 oz gold bar is $19,043. Broker fees bring the out-the-door price to $19,233.43 - $19,614.29.

These prices are still high, but I didn't do much looking to find BostonBullion.com. I'd guess that there are sites out there charging just half as much commission.





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Re: “So, with these things in mind, as the resident Gold investor and researcher, WHY should someone BUY GOLD and what do you do with it if you buy Physical gold when you want to sell it?”
Thanks micro.

Gold doesn't just come in 1oz portions. Gold sovereigns and francs weigh in at .186 ounces and are smaller than a penny. You can buy and sell them from/to any reputable coin dealer.

Similarly, the shops that sell krugerrands, American Eagles, Chinese Pandas, Canadian Maple Leafs, etc., will buy them from customers. There's usually a commission whether the customer is buying or selling. Today, for instance, gold is $1,868/oz, and a 1oz and an American Eagle is $2,144 at Lear Capital. That's a $276 commission, which is very high. That's partly because American Eagles are collectibles but it's mostly because Lear Capital advertises on Fox News and charges customers an arm and a leg. You'll get a better price on the less collectible South African krugerrand... currently $2,124 at Lear.... and still better with a 1 oz gold bar - which Lear doesn't sell.

If you're making a sizeable transaction, 10 oz or more, a local jeweler will probably be happy to work with you. I've never gone that route, though, so I don't have practical tips on what might be involved. Make phone calls.

BTW, I just checked a different site, BostonBullion. Its Krugerrands - which, like the American Eagle, contain a full ounce of gold - are $1,915 right now. Only $47 over spot! Lear Capital, clearly, is ripping people off.

Also, BostonBullion.com has a prominently displayed "Sell To Us" tab: https://bostonbullion.com/sell-to-us/








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Gold is $1,581/oz today. When it hits $2,000, it will be up 26.5%. Let's see how long that takes. - De 3/11/2013 - ANSWER: 7 Years, 5 Months


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Hi De!

You are officially "The GOLD Standard" ! lol!!!

Seriously, the chart is a great place to begin. I will point oiut that gold has risen $600.-$700 in 4 years.. Considering that it was around $1200 in 2018 that's not a BAD Rate of return

Around 32 percent over 4 years. That is 8 percent per annum.
That said, its expensive to get into because of the cost per ounce . Zim might could buy 100 ounces as an initial buy but he has wisely invested in sticks that pay dividends, which is the gift that keeps on giving.. I like that move..

I do not own gold or silver.. I have thought about it but can't quite seem to pull the trigger...

I am guaranteed a minimum 7 percent annual increase on my investments.. It matters not what the markets do, its seven percent per annum at the low end.


So, with these things in mind, as the resident Gold investor and researcher, WHY should someone BUY GOLD and what do you do with it if you buy Physical gold when you want to sell it?

I mean, I can't go to the store and use Gold coins to pay for things.. And I need to worry that my own government would likely try to confiscate my physical gold as it has become more of a tyranny than a government.


Anyway, I have bookmarkeed tis site and look forward to reading more.. As you know, I am not a huge poster due to time constraints.

Best wishes on this new board De !!

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Hi De!

You are officially "The GOLD Standard" ! lol!!!

Seriously, the chart is a great place to begin. I will point oiut that gold has risen $600.-$700 in 4 years.. Considering that it was around $1200 in 2018 that's not a BAD Rate of return

Around 32 percent over 4 years. That is 8 percent per annum.
That said, its expensive to get into because of the cost per ounce . Zim might could buy 100 ounces as an initial buy but he has wisely invested in sticks that pay dividends, which is the gift that keeps on giving.. I like that move..

I do not own gold or silver.. I have thought about it but can't quite seem to pull the trigger...

I am guaranteed a minimum 7 percent annual increase on my investments.. It matters not what the markets do, its seven percent per annum at the low end.


So, with these things in mind, as the resident Gold investor and researcher, WHY should someone BUY GOLD and what do you do with it if you buy Physical gold when you want to sell it?

I mean, I can't go to the store and use Gold coins to pay for things.. And I need to worry that my own government would likely try to confiscate my physical gold as it has become more of a tyranny than a government.


Anyway, I have bookmarkeed tis site and look forward to reading more.. As you know, I am not a huge poster due to time constraints.

Best wishes on this new board De !!

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I'll start here, with gold's 30-year chart. Does it show a pending breakout? I think so. In fact, I'd say it already DID break out, hitting a new high in 2020. But the chart is anything but usual. How could the metal break through NINE YEAR resistance but have such weak momentum that it promptly fell back again? Perhaps due to manipulation. You'll recall that in 2020, a vast sum of money was printed and used to prop up the stock market. Investors who might have otherwise been tempted to put money into gold took advantage of that opportunity instead. In fact, gold repeated its head fake in 2022, topping at the same level it did in 2020. That's a double top. As any technical analyst worth his salt could tell you, double tops are common but triple tops are exceedingly rare - so the next time gold gets into the ~$2050 range, it SHOULD break through substantially, for real.

But that's based on T.A. A technical analyst worth his salt would also tell you that T.A. takes a back seat to fundamentals. It's a good tool, but the fundamentals should always come first. It's something to keep in mind.

With gold, the main fundamental that has to be kept in mind is the outlook for the U.S. economy. Since dollar strength is a proxy for the economy, its outlook inversely correlates to gold's. I'll post more on these topics as well. But not today. I've got some reading to do.


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I'll start here, with gold's 30-year chart. Does it show a pending breakout? I think so. In fact, I'd say it already DID break out, hitting a new high in 2020. But the chart is anything but usual. How could the metal break through NINE YEAR resistance but have such weak momentum that it promptly fell back again? Perhaps due to manipulation. You'll recall that in 2020, a vast sum of money was printed and used to prop up the stock market. Investors who might have otherwise been tempted to put money into gold took advantage of that opportunity instead. In fact, gold repeated its head fake in 2022, topping at the same level it did in 2020. That's a double top. As any technical analyst worth his salt could tell you, double tops are common but triple tops are exceedingly rare - so the next time gold gets into the ~$2050 range, it SHOULD break through substantially, for real.

But that's based on T.A. A technical analyst worth his salt would also tell you that T.A. takes a back seat to fundamentals. It's a good tool, but the fundamentals should always come first. It's something to keep in mind.

With gold, the main fundamental that has to be kept in mind is the outlook for the U.S. economy. Since dollar strength is a proxy for the economy, its outlook inversely correlates to gold's. I'll post more on these topics as well. But not today. I've got some reading to do.




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Re: Ah, so ... you took over one of Yossel's old boards, eh, De?

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I was appointed.

A couple of months back, I suggested to Bob that he remove Yossel's boards since he'd nabbed so many of the more interesting topics. See the image below. GOLD and WATER are two of the forums I specifically mentioned. Ten years on, the boards aren't being managed and the topics are effectively shut down. I'm glad to see that GOLD, at least, is available again. I'll do my best to keep it managed, perhaps even somewhat active - even if I'm the only one using it. I do like having a repository for the various gold-related articles and charts I find....





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