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Re: We're All to Blame For Monster Government 

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More by Walter Williams about the dishonest claims in the original 1936 Social Security pamphlet: 

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The Social Security pamphlet adds another lie: “Beginning November 24, 1936, the United States government will set up a Social Security account for you. ...The checks will come to you as a right.You will get them regardless of the amount of property or income you may have.”That’s another lie. First, there’s no Social Security account for you, but more important, in Helvering v. Davis (1937) the Supreme Court held that Social Security was not an insurance program, saying, “The proceeds of both (employee and employer) taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal-revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way.” In a later decision, Flemming v. Nestor (1960), the Court said, “To engraft upon Social Security system a concept of ‘accrued property rights’ would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands. . . .” That ruling established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not a contractual right. “Flexibility and boldness” means Congress can constitutionally do anything it wishes, including cutting benefits, raising retirement age, increasing Social Security taxes, and ultimately eliminating payments for some or all Americans.
 
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Re: We're All to Blame For Monster Government
By: micro in POPE IV
Wed, 13 Sep 17 6:34 PM 		Msg. 33977 of 47202

Walter Williams is an American ICON and should, like Thomas Sowell, be accorded their rightful respected places in American Scholar circles...

Here is where I and Dr. Williams disagree.

The MONEY that was FORCEFULLY and without MY CONSENT STOLEN from my paycheck for whatever purposes, regardless of those purposes, was still MY MONEY. I earned it.\

It was taken from me without my consent or approval. I had NO SAY in that matter and yet, it came from MY EARNINGS.

Hence it belonged to me and theoretically still does.

I am not duped. I am not ignorant. I know FDR played a PONZI scheme on America and many were thinking to themselves that they will benefit from the backs of others, free money syndrome....

Yes, Social Security is a massive PONZI Scheme Bernie Madoff can only dream about...

That does not mean I am blind to it or agree with it.

What does Dr. WIlliams suggest I as a citizen do about it?? Beside call me names and describe me as "duped"?

He is right until the very end....

GOT a solution that works out for us I would love to hear it Dr. Williams????

It IS MY MONEY. I should be able to tell you to the DIME how much of my money was taken from me without my consent and used for whatever purpose the Federal government wanted to use it for. We allknow the criminal politicians stole it and used it to pay for their over spending and sticking our noses every where in the world we did not belong. Or giving it away like they earned it, to every nation on earth... and redistributing it to anyone and everyone they thought needed it.....


Question for all?

Did Dr. Williams and Jefferson and Madison also mean that tax money should NOT be used to send to help States out with nature's calamities and that States should take care of those issues on their own level???

I am a bit unclear on that.....

Anyway, I find it a bit offensive that Dr. Williams has ascribed willful ignorance (duped) to most of us regarding the theft by government, started by FDR (DEMOCRAT LIBERAL), of money from our earnings for redistribution known as social security AND that the money was not really ours....

One point we have to agree to disagree....

Otherwise, brilliant as ever....

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