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We always used nitrogen. Just a better gas all around. Keeping the welded area as cool as possible. A good point.

High carbon content is always best served with Mig welding and set the current a little lower so you don't generate quite as much heat but definitely have nitrogen.

Problem with brazing is that it really requires very close attention to what one is doing and can be very difficult to get a good strong, durable weld bond between the surfaces... The penetration from a ROD is better imo.

One simply needs to know what they are dealing with in castings. Is it gray iron or something else? Once determined, then select the appropriate welding rods....

Never had a problem...

HAVE had some brazing jobs that did not last though....

Best done on carbon steel.

A lot to learn about all the areas of welding.... Takes years to get really familiar and good with it too.


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Re: DE - on welding / Professor
By: monkeytrots
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Mon, 09 Oct 17 3:12 AM
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Micro- Yes, aware that cast (SOME cast) can be welded. Brazing has some advantages, at other times welding is in order. Problem with welding on cast is getting good penetration - the heat required puts strains on the cast that can cause other areas of the casting to crack and fail. In class, we had a block from a 30's or 40's engine that was so high in carbon, had to use Mig to weld it .... one bead at a time. Had to cool between each bead. Any more than that, the damage just increased, rather than being decreased. Normal arc or brazing was simply out of the question - way too sensitive. Think we used nitrogen for the flux gas, intead of argon - better thermal cond. coef./thermal heat - ie. more cooling power.


Brazing has some advantages on 'high stress' cast - the brass has more give to it. As in woodwork - a really strongly glued seam can actually become a point of failure, due to no give. Dissimilar metals when welding (eg. coef. of expansion, flexibility, etc) all cause problems with cast. It is such an unyielding metal. So ... both techniques, pros and cons - that's where really experienced welders earn their keep.

It really is hard (almost impossible) to find a welding rod for cast that matches the base metal, and the higher temps of welding (usually,the mig method above is an exception) over brazing can cause problems. With brazing, one can heat a much larger area gradually, which reduces the very localized/focused heat load problems of arc - and get a successful repair/joining. Just don't try that with oxy welding of aluminum - you'll just get a big puddle and no joy at all. *lol*


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