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Happy Thanksgiving. AND TO YOU, TOO, LK.
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No Democrat in the House or the Senate voted for the 14th or 15th Amendments.

Speaks for itself, doesn't it?
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Democrats in the 1860s were reluctant to grant their former slaves citizenship and consequently the right to vote,

NO WAY! Lemme see, and who freed the slaves? And his party affiliation was? I could never separate his death from the Emancipation Proclamation.

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The 14th Amendment, as interpreted today by Democrats and the uninformed says that anyone born in the USA is an American citizen…WRONG!

"...... no longer serves their political purpose. The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: our education system, the main stream media, Hollywood and the Democrat Party, have long adopted the route of Vladimir Lenin, that is: “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.....”

Indeed. I want to take issue regarding the educational system, however. You can choose to disagree, of course, but every teacher in America gets a copy of the Constitution and its Amendments, and the knowledge of it should be absorbed by every American. The situation in the school systems has deteriorated so greatly that you're fortunate if you can get them to learn basic math, basic history, so let's not fantasize about kids (born to kids, themselves) being educated by the schools or being prompted to learn AT HOME about this subject matter. In other words, is it THEIR fault? To me, it does not matter whose fault it is, but the problem exists and it has to be resolved.

MSM - AGREED, but questioning the talking head attorneys whom we see 24/7 and who should know what the Constitution says, should properly share their knowledge.

HOLLYWEIRD? oh my! Their main cause of concern at this moment, and so many moments prior, is to sell their latest movie, AND criticize the current Administration. They don't know shid about much!

DEMOCRAT PARTY - the party of pain, without regard for the welfare of the country's people/s. Their quest to be inclusive to all, is exactly the opposite. They are an embarrassment to our once great nation, imo.

So, basically, how the 14th Amendment reads is: "On July 28, 1868, the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution was ratified. The amendment grants citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States" which included former slaves who had just been freed after the Civil War."

Now a situation exists wherein we have a caravan of illegal immigrants on their way to our country, carrying the flag of their birth country while burning ours. Everyone seems to think they are automatically endowed with the same privileges as we are. Yep, tell a lie often enough and it becomes truth.

The 14th Amendment Does Not Mandate Birthright Citizenship

By Andrew C. McCarthy

November 3rd, 2018

In campaign mode, the president floated the idea of issuing an executive order that would purport to deny “birthright citizenship,” i.e., to end the policy of granting American citizenship to children born in the United States to alien parents who are not legally present here. I highlight “purport” and “policy” because the president’s opponents counter that these newborn children of illegal aliens are granted citizenship by the Constitution, specifically, by the 14th Amendment. Therefore, the argument goes, this grant of citizenship is not a mere policy but a command of the highest law of the land; it may not be reversed by an executive order, or even by a law of Congress, the branch empowered to set the terms of citizenship.

National Review has a lot of pop-ups, so I hope this link comes through completely and clearly. I am a fan of Andrew McCarthy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment-does-not-mandate/

"....Now, all you ‘constitutional experts’ that say differently, you need to learn how to read. Because the law has been ignored for the last several decades does not make it invalid. You can’t turn a lie into truth just because you say so...."

REALLY? Obama said it was against the law to allow foreigners on our soil, but HE DID IT ANYWAY. All of a sudden, he had a pen and phone - horse's a$$,imo.

DONALD J. TRUMP:

President Trump’s executive order will simply order those in the government to adhere to the Constitution to which they took an oath. This president is bringing us back to the rule of law and is being fought tooth and nail by the Deep State, the Democrats and the filth that is the ever-present swamp. We will once again be a nation of laws, not persons.

Election Day tomorrow. I have missed one local election in the many (whoops, I meant few) years that I was eligible. I would have gone anyway, but I was contagious.

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On a personal note, I saw this post the other day, and started my reply over an hour ago.

Just checking how you are doing. Missy, where is your book that I was to edit and have published? You do remember our quest to be billionaires by (hmmm) age 40?

How are you feeling? Best wishes to you!



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The Real 14th Amendment: What They Don't Teach in School
By: starlight
in CONSTITUTION
Sun, 04 Nov 18 4:00 AM
Msg. 21771 of 21975

Ah hah! Happy Thanksgiving.

The Real 14th Amendment: What They Don't Teach in School

By Ray DiLorenzo —— November 3, 2018

https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-real-14th-amendment-what-they-dont-teach-in-school

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”....

Illegal immigration is a red-hot topic of conversation these days made even hotter recently by thousands of migrants heading towards the United States southern border, determined to break through.

The 14th Amendment addressed the issue of citizenship of former black slaves after the Civil War. Democrats in the 1860s were reluctant to grant their former slaves citizenship and consequently the right to vote, which necessitated the 15th Amendment. No Democrat in the House or the Senate voted for the 14th or 15th Amendments.

Many historians, most Democrats, even news commentators including some at Fox News, play fast and loose with the interpretation of our Constitution. The 14th Amendment, as interpreted today by Democrats and the uninformed says that anyone born in the USA is an American citizen…WRONG!

As recent as the 1990s, Democrats and the Left were convinced of the opposite…that there were caveats and exceptions to birthright citizenship.

This position no longer serves their political purpose. The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: our education system, the main stream media, Hollywood and the Democrat Party, have long adopted the route of Vladimir Lenin, that is: “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”

Let’s hear from Jacob M. Howard who was on the committee that drafted the amendment of 1868. Never mind the political and ‘constitutional experts’.

Howard wrote:

”...that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law, a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born who are foreigners, aliens, and who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The language is clear, “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means a person cannot owe allegiance to any other foreign power. This simply means, and Jacob Howard bears it out, illegal aliens who are in defiance of U.S. jurisdiction and are subjects of a foreign power are excluded. The fact that Mr. Howard injected ‘of course’ says to me that it is obvious no nation in their right mind would allow citizenship to everyone born in their country, no matter their allegiance to a foreign power.

Now, all you ‘constitutional experts’ that say differently, you need to learn how to read. Because the law has been ignored for the last several decades does not make it invalid. You can’t turn a lie into truth just because you say so.

Ending birthright citizenship as practiced today does not require a Constitutional amendment!

President Trump’s executive order will simply order those in the government to adhere to the Constitution to which they took an oath. This president is bringing us back to the rule of law and is being fought tooth and nail by the Deep State, the Democrats and the filth that is the ever-present swamp. We will once again be a nation of laws, not persons.

We have said numerous times on these pages that constitutional interpretation is not rocket science. In many cases, just reading the letters or writings of those who wrote or took part in the writing of the law when it was written will interpret the law for you, but ignorance and political motivations now rule the day in America. Read and understand what the founders and writers meant, especially when it is clear, and give the Supreme Court a break.


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