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Re: "Sorry DE but I do not believe in that kool aide you are drinking."
I have no idea what you're talking about and don't think you do either. The fact that COVID-19 hasn't killed very many Americans isn't up for dispute. It's killed 68,000 and hasn't [yet] turned into the nightmare that was initially forecast. You asked how it can be that the number of U.S. deaths overall could be down this year despite the pandemic. I've given you an answer: COVID-19 hasn't killed millions. But do remember that it's been here for just 4 months, it isn't over yet, and the dire estimates were for what to expect if the nation didn't take the protective measures it ultimately did take.

The lockdown has reduced deaths from myriad things, not just from COVID-19. The net of pandemic lives lost + lockdown lives saved is a savings. I think that's a simple concept and probably accurate. You disagree, and I'm fine with that. I'm only curious why, when I listed numerous hazards reduced by lockdown, you seem to focus on them one at a time, as if I'd attributed the reduction to just one thing. I didn't. You have to tally them ALL, hydro, including the many that I didn't list, or my point stands.
Re: "Coronavirus's have been around for thousands of years and are not going anywhere."I don't think COVID-19 is a normal coronavirus. In fact, I don't think it's a natural coronavirus. Do you? The quote above suggests you do. The evidence against it being natural is overt. I posit that those who look at the evidence and still think this thing is just a coronavirus are probably the ones who have been drinking kool aide.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the grand total U.S. deaths from COVID-19 will be? Clearly not too high. 70,000? 80,000? 100,000??? Maybe you could put your prediction into your Atomic Bobs signature line - like I have with the price of gold. Two years from now, I'll probably still be here. It will be fun to point to it and note how wrong one of us was. It might be me - but I sort of doubt it, particularly if the nation is determined to lift the barriers against its further spread even as the virus continues to be in our midst and thriving.

I agree with you that there won't be a vaccine. COVID-19 does have that much in common with its sibling coronaviruses. There's never been a vaccine for the common cold. There won't be an effective one for COVID-19 either, though I'm sure someone [Bill Gates] will concoct something and endeavor to force it upon us.









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Re: Covid-19 death chart
By: hydro_gen
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Sun, 03 May 20 3:41 PM
Msg. 60483 of 62138

"Live and learn, hydro. It isn't long-term obesity that I'm referring to, but plaque buildup that results in a heart attack or stroke, often triggered by "pigging out." You'll notice that the article below specifically mentions buffets. And it doesn't take a lot of them. Just one for a person whose arteries are in bad shape."

I stated "obesity and all of the associated complications/diseases" a general statement meaning someone in poor health and I did not list ALL potential underlying morbidity causes. You chose plaque buildup and with your health issues I can understand that. So what exactly are you attempting to have me live and learn?? That ONE buffet can trigger a heart attack?? OK that is perhaps true yet you are omitting the fact that 105 day shutdown is not the cause or cure for someone with plaque buildup. From your article ""The plaque that’s been forming has probably been forming for a long time," - a long time is not 105 days!! Underlying conditions like plaque buildup are not created short term - they are long term as pointed out in your article so thank you for making my point.
WebMD says plaque buildup occurs over years http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/cholesterol-and-artery-plaque-buildup

Again even by removing ALL traffic related deaths from 2020 the total American death rate is DOWN 35,000+/- year over year in what is supposed to be such a devastating pandemic??? That is highly illogical and 100% BS

Lastly you are either being obtuse or you do not see the glaring statistical manipulation in the chart you posted "Think is looks licked" in another message to Nemo.

The GLARING OMISSION in all of these charts is the number of people being tested. For simplicity lets say there is a 10% infection rate. So on day one we test 10 people then on day 2 we test 20 people then on day 3 30 people then 40 then 50 and so on and so on and guess what?? The positive tests will continue to increase because the number of people being tested are also increasing!!!

Post a chart that includes the TOTAL number of tests correlated with the results and that would be meaningful. I have yet to find such a chart because it would destroy this 'controlUSvirus' narrative being pushed. I found a partial table
and as testing increased so did cases yet tha last week testing increased and positive cases went down?
http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/05012020/public-health-lab.html

2 million might have died and might still - pfffffttttt - and the number is lower because we destroyed the American, and Global economies by shutting them down and socially distancing worked so well that America reduced the death count by 45,000+/-?? Again - highly illogical.

Sorry DE but I do not believe in that kool aide you are drinking. Reminds me of the old saying that "Figures do not lie yet liars figure" and WE are all being lied to and the figures are all manipulated.

Coronavirus's have been around for thousands of years and are not going anywhere. People waiting on a vaccine are delusional as an effective one will never be created - it already has 30 known mutations. Even the Pirbright Institute (some may get the connection and see the hypocrisy) published a paper stating that there would never be an effective vaccine - granted that was in 2015 before they were awarded a coronavirus patent in 2018 yet that is another subject. IF we continue to react in this manner then we are indeed going to destroy global economies and we will have destroyed any global stability in an already fragile system, if we have not already done so. 235 million people are going to starve to death this year yet no global fear mongering and manipulation are being pushed by the media. Odd huh? At this pace we are indeed headed on a quick path to TEOTWAWKI

Time to reopen America or we can kiss our 244 year experimental government and way of life goodbye. Sadly it may already be too late......

PEACE

And this is a nurse from our capitol telling the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SB7mJsRvTI&

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