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May the 4th be with everyone!!

I know EXACTLY what I am talking about and you proved the point I was making. Funny how you omit that fact and selectively reply to my post yet you still fail to make any salient points??

From my earlier post:
"Live and learn, hydro. It isn't long-term obesity that I'm referring to, but plaque buildup that results in a heart attack or stroke, often triggered by "pigging out." You'll notice that the article below specifically mentions buffets. And it doesn't take a lot of them. Just one for a person whose arteries are in bad shape."
"I stated "obesity and all of the associated complications/diseases" a general statement meaning someone in poor health and I did not list ALL potential underlying morbidity causes. You chose plaque buildup and with your health issues I can understand that. So what exactly are you attempting to have me live and learn?? That ONE buffet can trigger a heart attack?? OK that is perhaps true yet you are omitting the fact that 105 day shutdown is not the cause or cure for someone with plaque buildup. From your article ""The plaque that’s been forming has probably been forming for a long time," - a long time is not 105 days!! Underlying conditions like plaque buildup are not created short term - they are long term as pointed out in your article so thank you for making my point.
WebMD says plaque buildup occurs over years http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/cholesterol-and-artery-plaque-buildup

Hard to learn anything, remember YOU were trying to teach something, when your mind is closed. I am open minded and I am still waiting on your "Live and learn" lessonExclamation

Let me break it down in very simple terms. Covid-19 has NOT KILLED 68,000 Americans. Don't want to believe me then go to the CDC website - their current number is 37,308. I already posted the link. Testing is up - numbers were also up yet now they are going down??

Second - I have already demonstrated your false equivalency that the lock down saved people with clogged arteries and buffet monsters - as these health issues are not 105+/- days - they are lifestyle issues. Please note the plural ISSUES covers multiple underlying diseases - I said obesity and related issues and you focused on something that is obviously a concern with your health and recent surgery. Arterial plaque buildup does not occur in 105+/- days and a lock down is not going to reverse or cure anyone with underlying issues.

Coronavirus HAVE been around thousands of years. FACT. I did not say THIS virus is normal and never have. I have posted a video from January stating that this virus has been manipulated and is not natural and it did not jump from bats to humans. It came from the BSL4 lab in Whuan. Mainstream media outlets are just NOW reporting on this. Mike Pompeo and many others are stating this. IMHO this was a dry run (or wet run if you think it came from bats) for something worse to be released in the future.

The KOOL AIDE you are drinking is the severity of this strain. I say we do not see 100,000 American deaths from this virus in 2020. You think, had it not been for the lock down, millions. (kool aide) Sadly WE will never really KNOW the actual death toll for many reasons. I am not going to list them all yet here are a few: Death certificates are being coded for Covid-19 (more $$ for the hospitals) regardless of the actual cause of death due to underlying health ISSUES. The average age of death in Italy, for example, was 81 years. WHO (pun intended) can we trust? The CDC already dramatically reduced the death toll by what - 45%+/- LOL

You think the lock down and the destruction of the economy is or was worth reducing (delaying!!!) the spread and because of the lock down we saved the planet. (kool aide) You avoid and dismiss the FACT that fewer Americans have died during this "plandemic" and attribute it to the lock down saving lives. (kool aide) I already blew up your buffet plaque buildup position. (kool aide) I have also stated "controlUSvirus" and when you quit drinking the kool aide you might see that - or not.

WHAT will we do when another virus appears - because one will appear again. Destroy what is left of the global eCONomy again?? Lock the planet down again?? Is the cure WORSE than the disease???

Do some digging in the Covid-19 HOLY GRAIL post I made yesterday. The information is out there. Whether you choose to open your mind is another thing entirely and learning requires change. Some people are so convinced of their intellect that they have difficulty changing so they never continue to learn. Below are a bunch of links a friend sent me - I have not yet read them all yet I intend to do so.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Your reply and attempts to take what I have posted out of context have been somewhat amusing, if not entertaining. Simply reread what I have written - it is not going anywhere - nor am I and I stand by my positions and again I am still awaiting your "Live and learn" bit.

We can simply agree to disagree. We do agree there will be no vaccine. This "plandemic" is about one thing. Blue pill or red pill - the choice is yours. Cheesy Grin

As always, stay safe folks and

PEACE

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Re: Covid-19 death chart
By: Decomposed
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Mon, 04 May 20 8:47 AM
Msg. 60568 of 62138

hydro_gen:

Re: "Sorry DE but I do not believe in that kool aide you are drinking."
I have no idea what you're talking about and don't think you do either. The fact that COVID-19 hasn't killed very many Americans isn't up for dispute. It's killed 68,000 and hasn't [yet] turned into the nightmare that was initially forecast. You asked how it can be that the number of U.S. deaths overall could be down this year despite the pandemic. I've given you an answer: COVID-19 hasn't killed millions. But do remember that it's been here for just 4 months, it isn't over yet, and the dire estimates were for what to expect if the nation didn't take the protective measures it ultimately did take.

The lockdown has reduced deaths from myriad things, not just from COVID-19. The net of pandemic lives lost + lockdown lives saved is a savings. I think that's a simple concept and probably accurate. You disagree, and I'm fine with that. I'm only curious why, when I listed numerous hazards reduced by lockdown, you seem to focus on them one at a time, as if I'd attributed the reduction to just one thing. I didn't. You have to tally them ALL, hydro, including the many that I didn't list, or my point stands.
Re: "Coronavirus's have been around for thousands of years and are not going anywhere."I don't think COVID-19 is a normal coronavirus. In fact, I don't think it's a natural coronavirus. Do you? The quote above suggests you do. The evidence against it being natural is overt. I posit that those who look at the evidence and still think this thing is just a coronavirus are probably the ones who have been drinking kool aide.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the grand total U.S. deaths from COVID-19 will be? Clearly not too high. 70,000? 80,000? 100,000??? Maybe you could put your prediction into your Atomic Bobs signature line - like I have with the price of gold. Two years from now, I'll probably still be here. It will be fun to point to it and note how wrong one of us was. It might be me - but I sort of doubt it, particularly if the nation is determined to lift the barriers against its further spread even as the virus continues to be in our midst and thriving.

I agree with you that there won't be a vaccine. COVID-19 does have that much in common with its sibling coronaviruses. There's never been a vaccine for the common cold. There won't be an effective one for COVID-19 either, though I'm sure someone [Bill Gates] will concoct something and endeavor to force it upon us.







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