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Re: Rbit, My thesis of Putin re Ukraine is looking increasingly false.

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Hiya Fizzy.

My opinion.

'Fear of NATO' was never the reason for Putin invading Ukraine. Oh yeah, Putin claims he wanted NATO to promise never to defend Ukraine. . . But I see that as more of a ploy to get anything or anyone who might oppose his annexation of Ukraine to 'give him permission' to do so.

I don't see where NATO has ever seized another country for no good reason. And I would hope Putin can clearly see that if NATO did invade Russia it would go nuclear.

To put it another way, Russia's nukes ensure nobody in their right mind is going to invade Russia.

I believe it was Bush in the White House when Russia took a little bite out of a country named Georgia.

Obozo was in the White House when Russia invaded and stole Crimea from Ukraine. And then tried to seize the Donbas region of Ukraine.

Russia was a 'good little boy' while Trump was in the White House and did not try to annex anything.

Now, we got that senile dog turd named biden and Russia is trying to seize all of Ukraine.

No sir. It has always been about expanding Russia's tax base. 'Fear of NATO' was just a sham of a 'justification'.

Zim.




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Rbit, My thesis of Putin re Ukraine is looking increasingly false.
By: fizzy
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Wed, 02 Mar 22 1:45 AM
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I will still say Russia/Putin didn't have much choice but to try to stop expansion of NATO and that "recognizing" 2-3 "new" ethnic Russian countries seemed a slick first move. A little incursion into Ukraine, I also think, much of the world would have eventually forgiven.

It looks like Buchanan expected something similar to what I expected: scare Ukraine into forswearing NATO & weaponry and then retreat, with very few civilian casualties:

https://buchanan.org/blog/is-putin-considering-using-nukes-on-nato-159130

Somewhere during the adventure, I expected China to take Taiwan (it isn't credible that Russia and China didn't collaborate on timing, etc.). I wasn't sure how China would do that, but I expected a surprise, using some means that wouldn't destroy too much infrastructure.

That would leave NATO, EU, and - especially US - with a huge loss of prestige. I view the US/NATO military as nowhere hard-combat ready (and posted those recent recruitment videos from the three countries to demonstrate just how laughable/ demoralized the US military must be to be running ads recruiting LBGTQ+ and with President Sundowner in charge.

At this point, however, Putin has gone further than I expected, and I want to acknowledge that.

If something doesn't break to the positive for him soon, I don't see how he can withdraw. I also don't see how he can take and keep WESTERN (as opposed to eastern) Ukraine.

If China is going to move, I would expect that very soon...

If SOMETHING doesn't happen soon to relieve Russia's pressure, I think Putin has a growing problem with economics and popular support, both within and without Russia.

It should be interesting. I guess I am saying, in a round about way, that your "World War" call is beginning to look less implausible to me. I still don't think it started with this invasion, though, and I still don't think we (the plebs) know the half, nor even the one-quarter, of the full, real story.


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