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Excellent artice and THANK YOU for posting it!

I just awoke from my nap..

Nothing quite stirs passion in my regarding things I fought most of my life after serving and many years of going to college to obtain my various diplomas.

I have found so many of the so called "elite" , people in positions for some reason other than real abilities to solve real problems with independent thought and hard work, to always seem to me like they were just handed positions and given gigantic incomes for no other reason than their family names.

But this kind of stuff has been happeneing since man and society supposedly got more "advanced".

I wonder what the real, tested, IQ level is of these fine politically blinded people who obtained law degrees.

One does not have to be elite to go to law school and do the work in order to get a law degree. You should be above average by a little ways and want to put in very long hours reading, writing, studying for exams, and doing lots of research of law book all found in the Law Library.

I spent a little time there while putting my youngest daughter, a top 50 lawyer supposedly, in the State of Virginia. Five years running, through law school as well as through her double major degrees from an elite top 50 University, overpriced and full of liberals, so she graduated with zero debts, as I Also did for my oldest daughter who has twice as much sense than her younger sister.

I tend to be of the opioin, which is why I am responding to this article CJ posted, that most of the so called "elite: are simply given those titles by the loose lipped and shit for brains liberals who think titles and "standing" are supposed to actually get the work done..

It seems too often that when hard work is involved that actually requires tremendous endurance and real work effort, there seems to be many that never finish the task for one excuse or another or because they simply are in over their heads and do not have a clue as to how to handle the situation when they discover that very fact for themselves and are looking for a way out and to save FACE and their undeserved reputations...

I educated my kids in the same manner and work ethics that their daddy had. DO not settle for second best. Put everything you have into whatever it is you are actually going to do and then sleep well at night knowing you did not leave anything incomplete.

I really do despise supposed UBER ELITISTS.

CJ, I for one and a cheerleading fan of yours. The very fact that you and your wife are able financially to do what you enjoy, sail the oceans and live off your boat which you must love doing, and being independent.
Same for De and his wife for years of putting aside money to ultimately fulfill an idea and visin they had and now they are almost completing that phase of it, and can begin actually LIVING in their new home and enjoying that gorgeous property.

I personally believe there are more smart people than those who are crowned by mere words and partisanism as being the uber elite and super intelligent..

I got to cvhecking IQ'S OF ALL THE PAST PRESIDENTS. Only a couple have a higher IQ than my own and I am sure this is likely the case with several of you folks who post here.

Things that interest us vary. I am delighted that is the case because I read a lot of stuff here and try to broaden my mind and learn a little more from the things that are not my areas of expertise.

I simply think that these so called high profile attorneys are basically given a crown and we watch MANY of them never finish the task they accepted. WHY is that?

Because they do not have the drive, desire, ambition, and likely the capability to think their way through problem areas when they arise so you some BS excuses always coming from them for failing, once again, to complete the assignment they willingly accepted.

ELITE my arse. LAZY, RUN when things get tough and difficult is mnore the modu operandi.

AND THAT, is my morning thoughts about people who get handed out titles alll the rest of us are supposed to be impressed with and the usual results that are almost predictable.

CRITICAL THINKING is important but it takes more than just the ability to think critically to complete difficult tasks is I guess what I am really saying..

Sorry. this is just a sore spot with me. I prefer to let my abilities and internal drive do the talking and stay in the background.....





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A Couple Of Really "Smart" Guys Set Out To Prosecute Donald Trump
By: CTJ
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Sat, 12 Mar 22 5:14 PM
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March 11, 2022/ Francis Menton


From time to time on this blog I have had occasion to note the extent to which many of the seemingly “smartest” people in our society time and again fall hook, line and sinker for the most preposterous mass hysterias. When it really counts, the people who have risen to the very top ranks of our social hierarchies prove to have no critical thinking capabilities whatsoever. For some entertaining reading about various self-made billionaires, former cabinet secretaries, and the like, making utter fools of themselves, you might try my posts from February 9, 2017 (“Watch Out For Rule By The ‘Smart’ — Part III”), or June 25, 2014 (“Watch Out For Rule By The ‘Smart’”). Both of those posts dealt with the topic of attempts to alter world temperatures through government taxation and spending.

A recent example of the phenomenon of the smart dopes now comes forth from the District Attorney’s office of New York County — that is, the people here in Manhattan charged with the enforcement of the New York State criminal laws. In this instance the subject of the hysteria was the idea that Donald Trump, President of the United States, needed to be charged with some sort of violations of the New York criminal law arising out of his business dealings.

Although prosecutors don’t publicly announce when they start investigations, it is clear from various court filings along the way (e.g., Trump’s lawyers opposing enforcement of subpoenas) that the DA’s criminal investigation of Trump was well underway as early as 2019, that is, in the middle of Trump’s term as President. The Manhattan DA at the time was Cyrus Vance, Jr. If you are old enough, you will recognize from Vance’s name that he is the son of the Cyrus Vance who was Secretary of State when Jimmy Carter was President, and also at various times Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Army, and other such government positions, in between stints as big-time partner of big-time law firm Simpson Thacher & Bartlett.

Background on the Trump criminal investigation by Vance Jr.’s office can be found in this New York Times piece from February 18, 2021. That piece, written less than a month after Mr. Trump left office, already described the criminal investigation as “long running.” According to the piece, the investigation was “focused on possible tax and bank-related fraud,” and most particularly on “whether the Trump Organization misled its lenders” as to “the value of his properties to obtain loans.”

Now, you may not be one of the world’s great geniuses, but does the subject of this investigation make any sense to you? I’ll bet that before you finished reading that one little paragraph you had asked yourself at least three critical questions:

Since when do banks take the borrower’s word for the value of real estate when they make loans secured by the property? When you took out your mortgage for a lousy one or a few hundred thousand, the bank did an appraisal of the value of the property. Could it really be that banks lent Trump hundreds of millions and just took his word for the value of the property without doing their own appraisal?
Did Trump default on any of the loans? If he had, it would have led the news for months on end; so no, that did not happen. Who has ever heard of such a thing as a criminal prosecution for overvaluing the collateral for a loan when the loan has always been and remains current and never in default?
Didn’t the real estate market experience tremendous appreciation throughout the U.S. from 2010 through the ensuing decade? Given that, wouldn’t exaggerated valuations early in the period therefore look prescient in hindsight?
So you might think, perhaps this investigation was being conducted by some naive young Assistant DAs with little understanding of how the real world works. Wrong. Instead, Vance had recruited two of the very biggest names from New York’s most prestigious law firms to head the probe. You probably have not heard of these guys, but in the world of big New York law firms, anyone would immediately recognize them as from the true nobility. Or to put it another way, these guys are really, really smart:

Carey Dunne is a Harvard Law School graduate, and was a long-time senior partner of the Davis Polk law firm. You may recognize the name of John W. Davis as the Democratic nominee for President in both 1920 and 1924 and also, in his spare time, as the personal lawyer to J.P. Morgan. The Davis Polk law firm continues to represent Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan Chase in many matters to this day. Dunne has also served a term as President of the New York City Bar Association, a kind of ultimate recognition of status in the elite New York legal community. In 2016 Dunne left Davis Polk to join Vance’s DA office as General Counsel, and apparently got named to head the investigation of Trump some time thereafter. Here is a picture of Dunne:

Mark Pomerantz was a long-time partner of the Paul Weiss law firm who joined the investigation of Trump in 2021. Among the very top New York law firms, Paul Weiss is the one most heavily devoted to the litigation practice. In his career Pomerantz had, among other things, been the head of the Criminal Division at the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York. Pomerantz came out of retirement to join the Trump investigation, and according to the New York Times, agreed to do so without pay. Here is a picture of Pomerantz:

As you can see, these guys are the crème de la crème of the New York legal community. On the other hand, like so many other liberal New Yorkers, they are completely blinded by their hatred of Trump. It seems that in their eagerness, the three simple questions above never occurred to them.

In late February, the Manhattan DA’s offices’s investigation of Trump completely unraveled. Vance had decided not to run for re-election, and a new guy, Alvin Bragg, took office on January 1, 2022. Bragg decided he should take his own look at this, his single most high-profile criminal investigation. The New York Times has a big summary on March 5; and CNN also did a long write-up on March 6.

Brief excerpt from the Times piece:

Late last year, three career prosecutors in the district attorney’s office opted to leave the investigation, uncomfortable with the speed at which it was proceeding and with what they maintained were gaps in the evidence. The tension spilled into the new administration, with some career prosecutors raising concerns directly to the new district attorney’s team.

It also seems that Bragg figured out that essentially the only evidence of Trump’s supposed criminal intent in the case was to come from the famous Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal attorney since convicted of multiple charges unrelated to his service for Trump, and now having turned on the ex-boss.

After a series of basically hostile meetings with Bragg, both Dunne and Pomerantz resigned from the office. Although the investigation is still theoretically alive, it is expected to die when the grand jury in question ends its term in April.

Exit quote (from Dunne):

“It’s a righteous case that ought to be brought,” Mr. Dunne told Mr. Bragg.

Dunne thinks that it is “righteous” to single out a guy to investigate endlessly for years because you oppose him politically. His mania blinded him to the most obvious holes in this case. Keep that line in mind any time you find yourself starting to think that the “smartest” people should be trusted with anything.

http://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2022-3-11-a-couple-of-really-smart-guys-set-out-to-prosecute-donald-trump


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