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Re: Lancet PREPRINT says mRNA doesn't reduce overall mortality AT ALL! (Adenovirus aka J&J Astrazeneca does much better!)

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Re: “This is a really important distinction, which you are not giving proper recognition to.”
The topic I was addressing was the implication that J&J is not an mRNA vaccine. Of course it is. The syringe doesn't contain it, but the syringe DOES contain something that directs the body to produce mRNA containing spike-protein instructions.

Your point that J&J's mRNA is a safer alternative to Pfizer's and Moderna's is a good but very different topic. Therefore stating that I'm not giving that enough recognition, suggesting I erred in some way, came as a bolt out of the blue. I didn't err. I simply didn't discuss the relative safety of the various mRNA offerings. Not recently, anyway. Long ago, I said that J&J's route to getting mRNA into the body is more convoluted and is, therefore, probably riskier. Maybe I was wrong about that but it was a long time ago. Is that what you were referencing?

My current thinking is that I don't want spikes in my body at all. Not from Pfizer. Not from J&J. Not from SARS-CoV-2. (I think everyone knows: Spikes are BAD.) Since the pandemic is practically over, I don't see why a ranking of the various bad "vaccines" even matters. Or is this conversation transitioning toward 'which lawsuits have the most potential'?





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Re: Lancet PREPRINT says mRNA doesn't reduce overall mortality AT ALL! (Adenovirus aka J&J Astrazeneca does much better!)
By: fizzy
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Wed, 27 Apr 22 5:33 AM
Msg. 31557 of 60008

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"Also, unlike the Johnson & Johnson product which cannot replicate, the AstraZeneca replicates in the body a limited amount.

mRNA vaccines: Moderna, Pfizer
Adenovirus vaccines: Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca, Sputnik V

How J&J is different from mRNA

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine (like Pfizer and Moderna). All three vaccines deliver genetic material to your cells: mRNA vaccines deliver mRNA, and Johnson &"

Actually, no. J&J delivers a *DNA* based adenovirus which encodes for the spike protein. This is *OLD* technology, which has been used for decades, and so you have the *considerable* benefit of knowing the adenovirus AS A VECTOR for the portion of the disease virus you want the body to identify and target has - at least - been *well* studied for unexpected adverse events.

The J&J vaccine does NOT contain the pseudo-uridine which the mRNA vaccines substituted to create run-away spike production. In addition, the J&J adenovirus is crippled so it CAN'T itself replicate.

This is a really important distinction, which you are not giving proper recognition to. It means that while the J&J DOES cause some cells of your body to produce some spikes, the number of spikes produced is relatively very, very limited, in two different ways. So you don't get this incredibly dangerous and outrageous behavior of unlimited spread AND probably not any risk of reverse transcriptase modifying DNA throughout your body.

The mRNA vaccines were NEVER required...the adenovirus route was always the vastly safer alternative. But you know how it is with government "scientists": most of them couldn't cut it in the real world because they are more about power and perquisites than they are about quality science, free markets, significant intelligence.


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