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One comment caught my eye, and I thought you might appreciate it, given your fondness for subzero temps:

David Huang says:
May 18, 2022 at 7:49 pm

If anyone here lives in a climate that requires home heating at some point during the year, and it’s also a region with a reasonable supply of trees I’d like to seriously recommend you look into rocket mass heaters (RMHs). From what I can tell these are a newish development of the Appropriate Technology movement. Many people who have switched from traditional wood stoves to a RMH found they used as much as 90% less wood!

I made one for my home 4 winters ago, retiring my Hearthstone, soapstone woodstove. These past 4 winters I’ve used between 1.25 cords to 1.5 cords of wood each year to heat my place to a much more comfortable temperature. For me this was a wood reduction of about 50% to 60%. In addition I have all but eliminated my need for supplemental heating with the traditional propane furnace, reducing my propane use by 80%-90%. I most just use propane for the cook stove and when I’m away from home for multiple days, thus unable to do a burn in the RMH.

These are related to masonry stoves but much cheaper and easier to construct. You don’t need to be a master mason! They certainly won’t work for everyone’s situation but in my opinion you would be doing yourself a favor to look into and learn about them at least. I found most of the educational resources to build mine over at permies.com. They have a forum section dedicated just to rocket mass heaters. https://permies.com/f/260/rocket-mass-heaters I also documented the construction of mine on my blog which some might find of interest. Here is a link to that entry. https://theartisthomestead.com/rocket-mass-heaters-increase-your-wood-burning-efficiencies-50-to-90-percent/

While these can be made in a future that is much rougher than where we are at now, it would be far easier to do before collapse gets seriously underway, while it’s still fairly easy to get access to higher quality materials like fire bricks and ceramic insulation. You’ll likely have a more efficient RMH as a result too. Is it worth doing? Consider how much happier you would be only needing to chop 2 cords of firewood a year to heat your home instead of say 10 cords! Then consider you might find yourself needing to do this by hand if you can’t keep your chainsaw operational! If collapse happens really slowly where you are then you just get to save thousands of dollars in home heating instead.

http://permies.com/f/260/rocket-mass-heaters

http://theartisthomestead.com/rocket-mass-heaters-increase-your-wood-burning-efficiencies-50-to-90-percent/


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Re: Running on Empty (nOPEC and how hosed we are)
By: Decomposed
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Thu, 19 May 22 12:02 PM
Msg. 32097 of 60008

fizzy:

Re: “It's maybe a 10 minute thoughtful read. You might want to sit down and pour yourself a stiff one before you start to imbibe.”
Not exactly an optimist, is he?

If he's right, I still think we have DECADES before energy prices create conditions as bad as the author implies. And that's if he's right.

Meanwhile, I just did a little reading about electric cars. Just how much energy do they save? What do they cost? Well, the Tesla Model 3 is powered by electricity, but kw/hrs can easily be converted to btus, and btus can be compared to gallons of gas. From that, we find that it gets 138 city / 126 highway. Pretty good! Its MSRP is $46,990. Expensive, but it's sort of a high end EV. (Yeah, the Model S is $100k, but it's REALLY high end.) Other electric vehicles cost quite a bit less. The Nissan Leaf is $28,425 and gets 123 city / 99 highway.

I've never been a fan of electric vehicles. I don't like it that they take 24 hours to home-charge and are expensive to charge commercially. I don't like it that their batteries are expensive and have to be replaced every 100k miles. I don't like it that trips beyond 200 miles become brutally difficult. I don't like it that there are obvious problems if the occupants need to heat or cool the interior. And I don't like it that EV batteries don't work very well when they're cold - which means that for five months of the year, an EV wouldn't work very well in New Hampshire. BUT... spending less than a quarter what you otherwise might for fuel has considerable appeal. The average person now spends around $2k each year on gas. For such people, getting an EV as a commuter vehicle isn't horribly insensible. They'll save $1,500 per year on gas, nearly offsetting the $10 to $15 thousand they'll have to shell out for a new battery every 7 years.

On the other hand, I won't be surprised if telecommuting and a gradual acceptance of Virtual Reality as an alternative to physical travel greatly reduces the 14,200 miles average Americans put on their cars each year. That too will play a role.

I conclude that EVs aren't as ridiculous as I'd previously thought. They wouldn't work for ME, but they would for many suburban- and city-types. And that, clearly, will stretch out the time we have before running out of oil brings death and destruction upon us all.

BTW, your article took me twenty minutes, not ten. You must be a fast reader.






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