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Re: The War is OVER, but They Won't Tell You (the Azov fighers surrendered) 

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Good morning!

Well, I only have a simple question that someone might know.

Was Zelensky the head of Ukraine when all the corruption with the Biden bunch and others was going on?

I WAS in the position in the war you described and yes I was nearly killed several times. As the old adage in the cartoons from Bugs Bunny said, "missed by thaaaaaaaat much!" I am unsure what that has to do with anything but I know and understand the battlefields and the rice patties, and the city fighting and trying to figure out who is your enemy and who is not and praying you don't shoot someone who is an inncocent civilian.

I agree that trying to save Ukraine's butt doesn't gain us anything but it does cost us an enormous amount of money and for what reason?

I think BITE ME is simply diverting attention away from sweet little Hunter boy.. Its diversionary and as always costs the people of the United States but never those who are doing this..

But I digress.

I wish we were out of this mess with Ukraine we should not have gotten into but one hates to see innocent civilians being shelled, murdered, etc. indiscriminately as has happened by the Russians and at what point does someone who is able step in and say enough is enough?

I think that is where I am. I have a heart for people who cannot defend themselves and are being subjected to horrors that nobody should. Thisis nothing short of MURDER on a grand scale by the Russians.

I don;t care about the conflict between one country and another but I do care about mass murdering thousands of innocent people who have nothing to do with it.. Especially if we can stop it....

I saw what happened to rural people who so much as spoke to American soldiers patrolling past their village.

I never minded killing those who would do such unspeakable things to another human being for absolutely no reason..

So its a mixed bag and I am sure there are different things that people see that sets them off also..

You and I and most others are just pawns and living here with very little say in anything..

Just my perspective for whatever , if anything, it is worth..




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Re: The War is OVER, but They Won't Tell You (the Azov fighers surrendered)
By: fizzy
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Sat, 21 May 22 9:18 PM
Msg. 32161 of 60008

Sometimes the "Fat lady sings" metaphor is useful: When something is like an opera. So, I think you could look at a fireworks display on July 4 and say, after a few rockets have gone off "It ain't over until...."

But in a war, although there is always a desperation factor, I don't think the "Fat Lady" analogy is very useful.

I think chess is a much better analogy. And in chess, the game is *over* as soon as there is no way for one party to escape eventual checkmate. In chess, only incompetent players continue past that point.

If you insist on the "Fat Lady" analogy, may I suggest the FAT LADY ALREADY SANG, with the 2500 Nazi aficionados getting their asses handed to them beyond any question. These WERE, as I understand, the "super-soldiers of Ukraine. Most of the rest of the Ukraine "armed forces" are pikers: more like prepubescent kids with BB guns and wannabe pretensions.

But, as frosting on the cake, you need to take into account the astronomical corruption and general incompetence of the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian society as a whole. The Ukrainians have had 30 years to even begin to clean up their room. UKRAINE IS THE SADDEST EXCUSE FOR REAL COUNTRY I'VE EVER SEEN, AND I **HAVE** SPENT A MONTH THERE AND I **HAVE** VISITED A LOT OF 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES WHICH OPERATED BETTER.

Russia has NOT just captured and jailed the vast majority of Ukraines toughest fighters. It has also ALREADY overcome US+EU (NATO) "superweapon": USD sanctions. The ruble is higher now than it was before the war. Russia is netting MORE money now from oil sales than it was before the this fiasco started. They have SUCCESSFULLY NEGATED the US/EU controlled SWIFT system and Petrodollar sanctions: China and India alone pretty much take up the whole of their capacity.

And many other countries are already making arrangements to buy all the oil, fertilizer, wheat, etc. Russia can produce WITH RUBLES or alternative arrangements. Meanwhile prices of oil, food, and most other things in the US and EU are *EXPLODING*. And, by the end of the year it is looking almost certain that BILLIONS of people around the world (but not in Russia, China, nor probably India) are going to begin starving AS A DIRECT SIDE EFFECT OF THE US's BRAINDEAD AND ALREADY FAILED "SANCTIONS" AND USD WEAPONIZATION.

Russia could alleviate this upcoming tragedy but the US won't allow Russia to sell oil, fertilizer, and food to other countries under free market terms which run counter to the sanctions.


In other words, Russia can probably sit this stupid and unnecessary opera out indefinitely. Year. The US and EU and countries which are allied with the US and EU generally *cannot*. Indeed, the US is wobbling on the edge of what could well turn into complete internal and external havoc; collapse of the US "Empire" only requires loss of respect for US invincibility and rule of law. But the US is acting like a buffoon and is openly spitting on its own principles and laws.

Backing the "US" at this junction looks a lot to me like backing the Banksters, the DemonRats, the whole WOKE thing, the US Oligarchs, the WEF, the EU Brussels leadership, etc. You are following BIDEN's wishes now. Your position benefits BIDEN, et al. Perhaps they are also your wishes, although I'd like to see you put up the fact based, rational defense of them that has more basis than the Democrat's Trump-Russia hoax.

There are a couple of other things I don't understand about your position, though:

(1) Did you serve in infantry or some other high risk position in a war when you were younger? You know, where you took a bullet or almost took a bullet? If so, I respect your courage & example of actions lining up with words. If not, why are you so enthusiastic about war with ANY other country, much less a country which didn't attack you? I look forward to your answer. Again, if you served in a capacity where you really risked death, my hat is off to you.

(2) Since you BELIEVE that the US media and the US government LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH on all manner of topics, including but not limited to Trump collusion with Russia, why do you believe ANYTHING the US mainstream media and the US govenment has to say about Ukraine, Russia, NATO, the results of the war to date, and the prospects for your Fat Lady singing something better than what she has sung already?????

Again, this PROXY WAR is damaging the US and the EU far more than it appears to be damaging Russia+China. And the real price of the US not DECISIVELY, unequivocally *WINNING* this PROXY WAR with Russia (and the US decisively winning is already practically impossible at this juncture) is the US LOSES. Got that? The US hasn't really won a single war since WW2.

And you favor the effete, corrupt, transvestite, WOKE, obese, bankrupt, internally-divided US fighting a war with a *nuclear* super-power (approximately as capable of blacktopping us as we are of blacktopping them) over a piece of dung like the country of Ukraine?

Can you rationally defend that do or die position?


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