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Re: Musings about peak oil

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Hi Fizzy!

sorry, been gone most of the day.

You make an excellent point about the costs of extracting the oil...

I ws not looking at that but rather a little of the known large resevoirs of it we do have knowledge about.

I do not disagree about costs.. I owned two factories and sold products to the banking world all over the world and I knew my costs precisely.. COst accounting is something anyone in business better know or know someone that does.

Otherwise one sells at a loss and that won't happen long before one is a "former" business. Laughing

I have no idea what the costs are to extract crude. I suspect the companies that do this have a handle on it..

My point is simply the United States has plenty of oil deposits both onshore and offshore.. So we aren;t gonna run out from lack of having any anytime in the next few lifetimes. Its all a matter of what picking one's poison..

Have you noticed that NOBODY wants to talk about the cost of the electric to charge those electric vehicle batteries? And compare that cost to gasoline cars that get good mileage?

OR bigger question, where exactly is all this added electruic going to come from to keep charging up electric cars if this were to become a huge thing? We have rolling blackouts now because there AIN'T enough electric being generated now and we are going to add a whole lot more usage with these cars?

I wonder why NOBODY points this out or says it?

Anyway, you make an interesting and valid point about extraction costs and what I would relate to Rate of return on investment and of course costs versus revenues..

All things every business person MUST know and need a good accountant , CPA to keep them advised of such..





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Re: Musings about peak oil
By: fizzy
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Wed, 25 May 22 6:24 PM
Msg. 32259 of 60008

What seems to be totally missed is "financial cost" and "being there" are completely irrelevant to the critical question:

What is EROEI (Energy Return on Energy Invested). That question is actually the only thing that matters. If the NET energy extracted isn't a large muliple of the TOTAL ENERGY OF EXTRACTION (I mean, total--including energy for infrastructure, employment, etc.) then the oil is *technically* available but *practically* USELESS.

The Libtards can't figure out that "climate change" is a red herring (and an intelligence test) and "renewables" have a huge energy cost of their own which is generally well above the total energy which can be extracted from the renewable).

Most Repugs can't figure out that paper-dollar cost and existence are NOT a valid test for peak oil.

EROEI ***USED*** to be more than 100:1. Now it averages below 5:1 and rapidly falling. MOST new fields are (1) so small that they barely are worth the drill and (2) so bad on a straight EROEI basis that they ABSOLUTELY will never be worth the drill as a source of energy.

Why is that not understood? It's just basic physics. Are Repugs and Repug media not capable of understanding, or is there an active (subconconcious) fear of looking closely enough at the problem? Or is it something else? Magic thinking isn't thinking.

We are hitting the EROEI barrier. Below 5:1 oil becomes economically ***INCREDIBLY*** expensive. We are there. Below probably 3:1 it becomes likely not worth even attempting, because even solar and batteries do better.

PS. I am not the world's expert on this, so some of my thresholds (e.g., 3:1 not being worth attempting) are guesstimates.

But magical thinking and denial and 'someone will think of something' ARE the problem. This sort of low-wattage thinking is what got humanity to dig and bury itself in this physics hole. And, of course, short-term thinking is what animals do; why isn't humanity doing better than that?


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