I seem to be missing something regarding the "debate". Of course they are not women -- anymore than they would be a "dog" just because they "identified" as a dog and, perhaps, began acting like a caricature of a dog.
I see "trans" as pathetic, in the best sense of the word...in the sense that a person with a COMPULSION to hate their body to the point of deforming and cutting off pieces of it is, obviously, deserving of some pity.
If we find someone who can't stop slicing their own wrists, or taking heroin, that is obviously a person in torment and deserving of pity, on that basis alone. Can we all agree on that?
Than why is it inappropriate to see transgender self-loathing as anything but similarly deserving of pity...as a soul in psychiatric torment?
I know a few gay people who don't seem dominated psychologically by their homosexuality. And I have met more than a few who absolutely ARE psychologically warped by their homosexuality. Many of the latter can't seem to think about anything without interjecting their continual need for sex into it.... The latter I classify as psychologically, or maybe even psychiatrically, sick -- the former I do not.
An out of control person is not a healthy person; and their unhealthiness is something I can pity, but not something I want around me, because their unhealthiness is NOT just skin deep and can be -- should be -- expected to show up in other aspects of their behavior.
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