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Hi Micro,

Thanks for speaking up. I apologize to anyone here who served, in Vietnam or elsewhere, I even apologize for those who may have worked honorably in the Federal government. I can get way too grandiose (emotional) when I am writing—particularly about this, my country. That is a lot of the reason I edit, and re-edit, and re-edit, again, so many of my posts.

I wasn't making a comment about the caliber of soldiers; the Vietnam debacle killed too many of the best young Americans -- senselessly.

I think the problems with our military, and our endless warring, are mostly POST Vietnam. And I think they are mostly, at root, problems with Military LEADERSHIP, corruption in the purchasing of weapons systems, politicization of the decisions of where we CHOOSE to launch a war, and too much of a belief in 'tech' and American invincibility and faith in those high-tech weapons.

The best soldiers with the best weapons can't win without the best leadership. And the best leaders DON'T KILL PEOPLE FOR OIL AND CORPORATE INTERESTS.

In particular, it is a colossal mistake to get involved in war when the United States, itself, has not been attacked or does not have deep, morally defensible reasons to start killing people.

World War 2 was the last war I can think of when the United States had such moral certitude that a fight-to-the-death was absolutely necessary.

It takes a particular profound blindness to not recognize that virtually every real "war" the United States has engaged in since WW2 has NOT been morally justified. The killing could have been avoided. In most cases, the US had nothing essential, nothing morally-defensible to gain by engaging in the warring. Indeed, nearly ALL our recent wars, since Vietnam, have been part of an "oil grab".

Our soldiers are hobbled from the beginning when they are charged with fighting a non-moral, non-necessary, war, with weapons which were sold for maximum profit, with politicized leaders and "narratives".

The Vietnamese were fighting for their homeland and their families. The Americans were fighting for their corporations, their politicians, the political "narrative"....

Most of the subsequent wars have been fought by US soldiers on even LESS compelling grounds.

Anyway, I get too carried away when writing about something as dear to my heart as the US Constitution. I apologize, again, to those I have carelessly insulted. There is a significant amount of generalization and guessing when I try to write about a lot of things.

We need to give up the empire bit. We aren't good at it -- and it has a corrupting influence and moral hazard.


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Re: Evidence Ukraine Military Based Operations out of Civilian Areas as a Tactic
By: micro
in 6TH POPE
Tue, 09 Aug 22 1:20 AM
Msg. 34409 of 58734

Fizzy, that memory serves correctly, I thought
President Reagan tried to reach out and "break the ice" with the soviets when he actually got to know Gorbachev better. I think that was the closest relationship we had with the Russians in my lifetime. Do you remember that?

Also, one other thing. I don't know about today's fighting forces, but I can tell you from up close and personal, our Marines were not to be toyed with in Vietnam. We were outnumbered most times by a lot and we did not lose any firefights I was ever involved in.. And there were several involving NVA Regulars and VC both.

I think the same is true for the Desert Storm ground assaults as well. Iffen the troops have good field leadership and are well led, You do not want to be on the receiving end.

While the pussies of the Military today's leadership are just that, the grunts who do the fighting are not like them. I know some youngsters who are in their first year of service and I am reminded of myself when I was their age.

I don't want you making the mistake of assuming the combat troops are a bunch of misfits and softies because you would be dead wrong. The public top brass pinkies are one thing, but the fighting Marine or soldier is quite another and whatever ya do, don't mess with a Ranger , Seal, or Green Beret. They all can kill you with one hand.

Just wanted to clear up a little about the military being a bunch of fruits just because we see some fruit loops publicly.

Thanks for listening.


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