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Fiz > The strategic goals of Russia/China have already been achieved in Ukraine.

China.
China has no 'strategic goal' in Ukraine.

Russia? If Ukraine had 'surrendered' or made a 'peace deal' allowing Russia to keep the entire Donbas region as well as Crimea. . well, Russia might have realized a strategic goal. But given what it has already cost Russia and the possibility that Ukraine might come out on top . . Well, I find it just possible that Russia might lose all of Ukraine.

Fiz > Russia+China have an overwhelming battlefield advantage in the weapons that count. We don't even have hypersonic missiles yet.

Really?
How many aircraft carriers does China have? They are working on it, but they are not there yet.

Russian anti-aircraft weapons have proven 'inadequate' - against Israeli aircraft.

American hypersonic missiles?
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U.S. successfully tests pair of Lockheed hypersonic missiles

http://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-successfully-tested-lockheed-hypersonic-missile-this-week-sources-2022-07-13/

July 13, 2022
WASHINGTON, July 13 (Reuters) - The United States successfully tested two Lockheed Martin Corp hypersonic missiles recently, the Pentagon said on Wednesday, amid growing concerns Russia and China have had more success developing their own hypersonic weapons.

The U.S. Air Force confirmed it successfully tested its Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) booster on Tuesday off the California coast. Reuters reported the ARRW test earlier on Wednesday in which the booster was carried aloft under the wing of a B-52H before it was launched. In previous tests, the weapon did not detach from the plane.
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Not to mention that if the United States does lose a war to Russia or China - the correct response becomes nukes.

Same thing if we was to beat the snot out of Russia or China. So, who has the better anti-missile defense weaponry?

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Re: Evidence Ukraine Military Based Operations out of Civilian Areas as a Tactic
By: Fiz
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Mon, 08 Aug 22 11:17 PM
Msg. 34402 of 60008

You ignore the fact that in the 'liberated' regions, the majority of people identify as Russian. This will eventually either settle down to the restoration of the historic Russian western buffer zone—with most of the productive assets which WERE under Ukrainian control no longer being accessible to the West. Or it will continue, and eventually go beyond Ukraine, and the US/EU will pay even more dearly.

The EU has been castrated. And the US has castrated itself. I'm surprised you don't see deeper into the origins and ramifications of this thing. The US already used its 'super weapon' and it was a total dud. Worse than that, it actually blew up on the US' face, on world-wide display, as will become more apparent as more and more countries peel away from the decrepit US empire.

The strategic goals of Russia/China have already been achieved in Ukraine. The Russians + Chinese never really intended this to be a kinetic war but, rather, an economic war in traditional disguise.

Nonetheless, in the bigger picture, the overwhelming predominance of Ukraine's natural resources have already been captured. What is left of Ukraine now is mostly just dregs -- not worth Russia advancing further. And the US will probably pay trillions it doesn't have, over the years, to subsidize more Ukrainian embezzlement.
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Stupid all the way down. But the US does stupid really well these days.

And if it does escape Ukrainian kinetic containment? If the US/EU elites are stupid enough to push it there? Russia+China have an overwhelming battlefield advantage in the weapons that count. We don't even have hypersonic missiles yet. And aircraft carriers are so 1945; more a liability than an asset if things get dirty. But the biggest advantage is China/Russia homefield advantage and cultural energy. The US has lots of obese, and transvestite troops who really don't have heart in the game. Didn't Vietnam teach the US anything? Apparently not. Obviously not. We have a lot of slow learners over here; maybe too much time spent on the couch, eating potato chips, and playing video game 'shooters'?

It is kind of sad, because it didn't have to be this way. The US could have honestly tried to befriend post-USSR Russia. THAT would have been strategically brilliant. But instead we tried to do our old 'colonize and rape' thing. That forced Russia into China's arms -- historically they have not been friends, for lots of good reasons. And, of course, we BUILT CHINA into an manufacturing powerhouse and transferred all our best technology to them.

Unbelievable the stupidity and short-sightedness of it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War


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