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Fiz > In particular, it is a colossal mistake to get involved in war when the United States, itself, has not been attacked or does not have deep, morally defensible reasons to start killing people.


9-11. Islamic terrorists flattened two skyscrapers inside the United States. And you don't think that was a good reason to go and kill a lot of terrorist loving skunks?

Saddam Hussein remains my number one suspect in 'who funded 9-11'. He had the money, means, and opportunity. Do not forget that we were enforcing 'no-fly' zones over northern and southern Iraq. Also do not forget that the U.S. are the ones who forced hussein to cough up Kuwait after he thought he'd conquered it. And hussein was a known supporter of islamic terrorists.

We invaded Iraq for oil? If that be so, then how come Bush coerced the Iraqis into forging a new, democratic, government? A sovereign government which, near as I can tell, controls the sales of their own oil.

Afghanistan? Again, Bush had the right idea. Remove the Taliban, stage them 'lloya jirgas' and get the Afghans themselves to write themselves up a new government. Obama is the moron who sent a HUGE American Army into that armpit of the world. (And that was a mistake.)

I could go on . . .

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Re: Evidence Ukraine Military Based Operations out of Civilian Areas as a Tactic
By: Fiz
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Tue, 09 Aug 22 3:12 AM
Msg. 34416 of 60008

Hi Micro,

Thanks for speaking up. I apologize to anyone here who served, in Vietnam or elsewhere, I even apologize for those who may have worked honorably in the Federal government. I can get way too grandiose (emotional) when I am writing—particularly about this, my country. That is a lot of the reason I edit, and re-edit, and re-edit, again, so many of my posts.

I wasn't making a comment about the caliber of soldiers; the Vietnam debacle killed too many of the best young Americans -- senselessly.

I think the problems with our military, and our endless warring, are mostly POST Vietnam. And I think they are mostly, at root, problems with Military LEADERSHIP, corruption in the purchasing of weapons systems, politicization of the decisions of where we CHOOSE to launch a war, and too much of a belief in 'tech' and American invincibility and faith in those high-tech weapons.

The best soldiers with the best weapons can't win without the best leadership. And the best leaders DON'T KILL PEOPLE FOR OIL AND CORPORATE INTERESTS.

In particular, it is a colossal mistake to get involved in war when the United States, itself, has not been attacked or does not have deep, morally defensible reasons to start killing people.

World War 2 was the last war I can think of when the United States had such moral certitude that a fight-to-the-death was absolutely necessary.

It takes a particular profound blindness to not recognize that virtually every real "war" the United States has engaged in since WW2 has NOT been morally justified. The killing could have been avoided. In most cases, the US had nothing essential, nothing morally-defensible to gain by engaging in the warring. Indeed, nearly ALL our recent wars, since Vietnam, have been part of an "oil grab".

Our soldiers are hobbled from the beginning when they are charged with fighting a non-moral, non-necessary, war, with weapons which were sold for maximum profit, with politicized leaders and "narratives".

The Vietnamese were fighting for their homeland and their families. The Americans were fighting for their corporations, their politicians, the political "narrative"....

Most of the subsequent wars have been fought by US soldiers on even LESS compelling grounds.

Anyway, I get too carried away when writing about something as dear to my heart as the US Constitution. I apologize, again, to those I have carelessly insulted. There is a significant amount of generalization and guessing when I try to write about a lot of things.

We need to give up the empire bit. We aren't good at it -- and it has a corrupting influence and moral hazard.


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