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Re: Joe Biden tells those ‘brave right-wing Americans’ (again) they’ll need an F-15 to take on the government

By: Fiz in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
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"Brandon is SO oblivious to the obvious truth - he is the Fascist."

He's not oblivious or, more correctly, the Democratic leadership are not oblivious: it is a tactic they use ALL THE TIME. It is out of their playbook. They accuse their opposition of being something, or doing something, which they are actively being or doing. They use the term early and often to put the opposition on defense and to sucker those who are easily suckered.

But in the case of "fascism" I'd suggest he -- and you , and really everyone -- get clear on what YOUR definition is. Otherwise the finger pointing can go on forever, even if a lot of facts are available, and nothing can EVER be settled in debate.

I use the original definition: "Originally, [fascism] referred to a totalitarian political movement linked with corporatism which existed in Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

However, in general, using the word "fascism", without a clear definition, is either a PLOY to deliberately muddy the waters, or a really bad habit...where the person using the word is oblivious to the fact that they are just babbling and making themselves look stupid. A good test of whether someone has any clue what they are saying is, when possible, is to pin the person down and demand a definition. It's amazing how many people use words they can't define. Or define a word in terms of other words and phrases they can't define.

Wikipedia has more to say about this problem of fascism not having a useful definition at the above link. Or just read below:

"What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments has been a complicated and highly disputed subject concerning the exact nature of fascism and its core tenets debated amongst historians, political scientists, and other scholars since Benito Mussolini first used the term in 1915. Historian Ian Kershaw once wrote that "trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wall".[1]

A significant number of scholars agree that a "fascist regime" is foremost an authoritarian form of government, although not all authoritarian regimes are fascist. Authoritarianism is thus a defining characteristic, but most scholars will say that more distinguishing traits are needed to make an authoritarian regime fascist.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

Similarly, fascism as an ideology is also hard to define. Originally, it referred to a totalitarian political movement linked with corporatism which existed in Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini. Many scholars use the word "fascism" without capitalization in a more general sense, to refer to an ideology (or group of ideologies) which was influential in many countries at many different times. For this purpose, they have sought to identify what Roger Griffin calls a "fascist minimum"—that is, the minimum conditions that a certain political movement must meet in order to be considered "fascist".[4]

Scholars have studied the apocalyptic and millenarian aspects of fascism.[11][12][13][14][15][16][17]"

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BTW, with all that said, I want to say that I pretty much agree with you: Brandon, and the Democratic Party as a whole at this point, is Fascist under the original definition: corporatism + authoritarianism. The Republican Party (referring to the members, not the NeoCons who still occupy too many political seats) are quite clearly not.

Further, it increasingly seems to me that communism, fascism, and all manner of socialism, including Nazism, are just sub-variants of Collectivism. I was going to say they are all "Marxism", but I think Marx only wrote about Collectivism and put his own thoughts to the topic and way it might be used.

IMO, Collectivism is as old as mankind -- it is tribalism writ large, well beyond the ~100 people point where tribes can make functional sense (the point where everybody literally knows everybody). But collectivism is hard wired to some extent in everyone.

Mindless collectivism is probably responsible for mankind surviving as long as it has. It seems to me it is now our greatest bottleneck: Eloi + Morlocks.


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Joe Biden tells those ‘brave right-wing Americans’ (again) they’ll need an F-15 to take on the government
By: Beldin in 6TH POPE
Wed, 31 Aug 22 8:54 PM 		Msg. 35122 of 60008

Brandon is SO oblivious to the obvious truth - he is the Fascist. He, in full repudiation of this oath of office, wants to deny Americans the enjoyment of their Constitutional Rights, AND if they have the audacity to complain about his unconstitutional edicts ... something they have every right to do under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution ... he, just like a Fascist dictator, threatens to destroy them with the might of the U.S. military. Hmmm ... sound tyrannical to you? Yep ... THAT sort of behavior is EXACTLY why the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution was written! Ah, Brandon ... you clueless lil' tyrant-wanna-be ... you DO see Fascists ... in the mirror, in your meetings at the White House, and at your two-bit rallies. 

One of the things about covering President Joe Biden is that you have to listen to the same stories time after time, like his often repeated (and debunked) Amtrak story. Today he was in Pennsylvania to talk about gun control and an assault weapons ban, and we not sure if he dusted off his old line about deer wearing Kevlar vests. He did, however, repeat his claim that those who’d like to take on the U.S. government, should it turn tyrannical, are going to need an F-15, and maybe more than that.

In June of 2021, Biden pulled an Eric Swalwell and told a crowd that they’ll need “F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons” to take on the U.S. government. Just a couple of weeks later, he told another crowd that if you want to beat back the government, “You need F-15s and maybe nuclear weapons.” Back in August of 2019, Biden told a crowd, “If you want to protect yourself against the federal government, you’re going to need at least an F-15.” Isn’t it great to have a commander-in-chief who threatens to put down any sort of insurrection with F-15s and maybe nuclear bombs? And he says this in the context of wanting to confiscate your AR-15.

Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) ~ NOW - Biden: "For those brave right-wing Americans... if you want to fight against the country, you need an F-15. You need something little more than a gun."
http://twitter.com/i/status/1564706079036116994

The government could kill you in a second if you pulled anything, Jack. “I’m not joking,” he assures us.

The government serves the people, Brandon - not the other way around. Therefore, by your very own admission, your administration is treasonous to the Constitution and the American people. Your entire administration needs to resign immediately in disgrace. 

Shishi (@ShishiVids) ~ Say the line ... "There's always a @stone_toss comic for it." Yaaaaaaaay!
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SpaceBacon24k (@SpaceBalls24k) ~ Afghanistan says hello.

Brian Knotts (@brianknotts) ~ What did the Afghanis use? Seemed to work pretty well.

GhostGuns.com (@GhostGcom) ~ Great. Sounds like an endorsement for F-15 ownership.

Lafayette Lee (@Partisan_O) ~ At this rate, Comrade Joe won’t have any pilots left to fly those F-15s.

𝐂𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐨𝟑𝐃 (@Cameo3D) ~ Then why are you afraid, buddy?

Why is he afraid of citizens owning puny little AR-15s?

Libertarian Party of Tennessee (@LPTN1776) ~ Weird endorsement of the public being able to have F-15s.

so-called (@hegelziv) ~ Jan. 6 proved the people don’t need guns, planes, or nukes to send those in government scrambling in fear.

Yeah, just ask The Bronx Valley Girl ... she was terrified that someone ... anyone ... was going to rape her and she wasn't even in the building! Well ... she was just fantasizing ... 'cuz she's having a hard time finding anyone who wants to date her. 

Brian S. Holyfield (@Holyfield67) ~ Holy shiz. Can you imagine the uproar from the Media is Trump would have ever said anything remotely similar to this? They’d have impeached him again.

Tyler Carditis (@TyCardon) ~ Mocking “brave right-wing Americans” as Commander in Chief is an interesting move.

It's a Fascist move. 

TKJ (@WiredApe) ~ Totally normal and healthy way to address the citizenry.

Yep ... if your name is Adolf, that is. 

Daniel Bragg (@Daniel_Bragg) ~ Did the sitting President of the United States just say that he's willing to turn the military on citizens?

mcmep (@mcmep) ~ Yes, yes he did.

CuiBono (@CuiBonoCapital) ~ Smart tactic. I’m sure this polls well.

Tammy (@tjomac) ~ I thought he was supposed to be unifying the country? 🤔🥺

Heh. 

ThinkCivics.com (@ThinkCivics) ~ Why is he demonizing half of the country like this? It’s unpresidential, unbecoming and a massive u-turn on his campaign promise of being a unifying president. He’s anything but unifying. He’s fascist.

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The Original Lord Straw Smuggler (@ethebuilder) ~ And just a few short months ago they were telling us every able bodied person in Ukraine was being armed with a plane? Nope a rifle ... a good old rifle. They can’t have it both ways.

Jens (@thematrixf_) ~ There’s seriously people in the audience that listen to this and think: “Wow, such a great speaker. That’s my president.” I honestly can’t believe it.

Well, that's 'cuz they aren't "people" - they're Fascist sheeple. 

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How many times does he have to say it? And he considers the MAGA crowd fascist while threatening them with military power.

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