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Re: Lindsey Graham tried to introduce a nationwide ban on abortion at 15 weeks.

By: clo2 in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
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I know your stance, and we disagree on this issue.

As a mother of 3, I loved being pregnant, loved feeling life grow inside of me. They were miracles.
Having them was my choice.

I'm not cavalier about abortion.
I'd like to hear full throated support encouraging men to use protection.

When my sons were teenagers I told them when they felt mature enough to be intimate, be sure to use protection.
I repeated this often.

One son had a girlfriend & I knew they were serious. She didn't have a relationship with her mother where she could talk to her about sex. I told her I'd take her to planned parenthood, if she wanted. And she did, we went & she got professional help about what birth control to use.
She was grateful for my support. I asked her to help another woman, if she ever was in the position.

Westchester Man Sentenced For Sexually Abusing 11-Year-Old Causing Pregnancy

A man has been sentenced to prison for sexually abusing an 11-year-old girl, causing a pregnancy.

New Rochelle resident Braulio Ramirez, age 49, was sentenced to 17 years in state prison, with 20 years of post-release supervision, on Tuesday, Sept. 13.

Between October 2019 and September 2021, starting when the minor was 11 years old, Ramirez subjected the victim to intercourse and other sexual acts on multiple occasions, which resulted in the victim becoming pregnant, said Westchester County District Attorney Miriam E. Rocah.

During the course of the sexual conduct, Ramirez threatened to burn down the victim’s home with her family inside if she reported the abuse, officials said.

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http://dailyvoice.com/new-york/somers/news/westchester-man-sentenced-for-sexually-abusing-11-year-old-causing-pregnancy/843463/


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Re: Lindsey Graham tried to introduce a nationwide ban on abortion at 15 weeks.
By: Cactus Flower
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Wed, 14 Sep 22 5:08 AM
Msg. 47039 of 54811

You make several points, clo.

"SCOTUS struck down Dobbs, their reasoning was it should be left to the states." I think the federal government should be permitted to write law on abortion rights. [Did you mean Dobbs struck down Roe?]

"He's proposing a nationwide ban." He's proposing a limit which everyone agrees has to exist. No one permits abortions at, say, 38 weeks. He says 15 weeks is the cut-off. Others have a different number. That he makes abortion legal is an improvement on the usual Republican position.

"A child that's a rape victim might have many conflicts with seeking help right away." You can write exceptions into the law for special cirumtances of different kinds.

"I have a problem with the government taking rights away from women/people. This was settled law for 50 years." This isn't removing a right. It's redefining a limit to the interest of the mother and expanding the interest of the foetus, thereby hopefully also reducing the possibility of suffering. [ps my method is not to think in terms of the "rights" either of the mother or the foetus but to consider the amount of time needed to make a choice in a situation involving the risk of suffering - I have translated for you]

"Three candidates for the court, when asked, agreed, it was settled." I agree that the court's decision was unhelpful and the duplicity of at least three justices has undermined the court's standing. But they have done so and congress is the right body to pick up the pieces.

ps This is really about electoral timing, more than it is about abortion. Graham is trying to take the issue off the table before the midterms because it's disastrous for the GOP among women voters. Dems would prefer to defer lawmaking on this subject until after the election.


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