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Re: The Racist History of the Democratic Party 1864-2020

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ps By the way, I've said to clo previously that I find the racial politics of the US corrosive, but probably not in the way you think.

I hate the idea that anyone should attempt to corral people of a particular race or ethnicity into their party. I don't care if you mean black people (the current Dem policy) or white people (the GOP's famous southern strategy). All that happens as a result of doing so is that the party eventually becomes beholden to a racially slanted view of the world. Hence, the absurd reparations ideas espoused by some Dems and the corrupt gerrymandering of the GOP.

Unlike many Americans, I'm not obsessed by race. Nor do I see racism wherever I look in America. Most of the Americans I have met were pretty much like folks everywhere. They try to treat the people they meet much like one another. But I'll agree with anyone who tells me I haven't met Americans from every part of the country. And so there may be local issues of which I am not aware.


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Re: The Racist History of the Democratic Party 1864-2020
By: Cactus Flower
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Wed, 21 Sep 22 12:37 PM
Msg. 47161 of 54817

I don't think it's embarrassing unless you are concerned by labels and not the politics which underlie them.

We've seen in the last four decades that the Republican Party's doctrines are considerably changed. The party of Trump hardly resembles the party of Reagan.

Similarly, the Democratic party was fifty or sixty years back particularly focussed on accumulating votes in the south, as you observe, a fact which is now inverted.

The party of Lincoln, as I see it, bears little relationship to the modern Republican Party. I learnt this, if my recollections are correct, when reading the works of my favourite American, Mark Twain. I was at first baffled by his descriptions of the contemporary Republican Party, until I discovered the osmosis upon which you are commenting. The liberal (and not the woke) wing of the modern Democratic Party most resembles the party of Lincoln, in my opinion, but it is not an exact match. Whereas I cannot imagine the GOP fighting a war on behalf of black Americans today. Owning the libs is what Republicans want more than anything: it's the unifying slogan; also horribly empty of hope or constructive utility.

If you are interested, and I'm not sure you are, I count myself mostly an English Conservative, which is by no means the same thing as an American Conservative, and yet they fly under the same name. British conservatism is tethered to the ideas of Burke, who thought of his doctrines as pragmatic: whatever works is what is best. He was particularly enthusiastic about preserving institutions that have developed over time and wary of new ones unless they were necessary and served a useful purpose. He was very much not excited by the promotion of ideologies (capitalism! socialism!) and dogmas of the sort with which the American right (and indeed the British left) is so involved. Nor would he have had any interest in right wing labelling or left wing identity politics.


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