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Re: Hilarious: Climate Change Radicals (Video on impossibility of converting to renewables to run the planet) 

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Re: “I don't know what to do. And, at the same time, I am upset with myself that I am not trying to do SOMETHING.”
Agreed. I don't know what to do either. But I at do recognize the problem and its severity and am doing what I can.

What I don't know is WHEN things need to be done. TEOTWAWKI is most assuredly on its way, but I don't know if that means NEXT year, or in TEN years. It can even be argued that it already occurred. The world isn't what it used to be, after all.








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Re: Hilarious: Climate Change Radicals (Video on impossibility of converting to renewables to run the planet)
By: Fiz
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Fri, 21 Oct 22 6:29 PM
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http://peakprosperity.com/complexity-energy-x-arrogance-ignorance-a-great-disaster/

Chris Martenson has long recognized climate change (just think ecological destruction on wide scale, if that goes down easier). However, that is not his #1 concern.

This embedded video discusses the IMPOSSIBILITY of conversion to a "sustainable" electric future FROM A MINING AND METALS RESOURCES standpoint. E.g., based upon 2019 mining numbers, it would take THOUSANDS of years of mining certain metals to be able to build enough cars, alone, much less generate and transmit sufficient power on the grid.


I'd never heard the argument approached that way, from such as simple but practical (hard to refute) basis. Very sobering.

Personally, I continue to think energy is THE penultimate issue. Ecosystem is a vital second, but if we have to decend to nuclear war to settle the issues of insufficient oil and other energy, I'm not sure 'ecosystem' concerns matter too much to many of us.

But this is very sobering. Even with a dramatically lower population of humans, how can things possibly work out? By that I mean, mostly, that the metals required for current PV panels and electric batteries seem to REQUIRE a global supply chain to get the required metals to build ANYTHING sustainable.... And that implies billions of people still living on the earth to do all that mining and transport of the seldom-considered inputs.

I don't know what to do. And, at the same time, I am upset with myself that I am not trying to do SOMETHING.


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