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De, I think Musk is correct that the old need to die off before any fundamental change can really flourish/ be given a fair hearing.

The examples of Albert Einstein actually bolsters the case. Einstein WAS the young rebel, fresh out of college and unable to find a job in academia, when he had his "miracle year" of 2005 (I think) writing 5 groundbreaking papers in one year. His General Relativity was completed less than ten years later (Published in 2015).

It took the old physicists dying off before a generation rose who could actually comprehend the math. In 1915 Einstein would have been about

Einstein, in turn, couldn't accept quantum mechanics when it really was born between 1924-1926 (per http://scienceystuff.com/a-brief-history-of-quantum-mechanics/). He fought embracing quantum mechanics and its "probability waves" through his whole life. Yes, some of his 1905 published work was important for what was to follow, but - again - he didn't really advance the field (although his concerns about "spooky action at a distance" ultimately led Bell, in the early 1960s to try to prove Einstein correct...and, ultimately, proved Einstein WRONG!)

Anyway, Einstein couldn't (or, at least, DIDN'T) lead the charge into quantum mechanics. There really is a problem with older people being too entrenched in their thinking, their values, and even in their capability to adapt.

For myself, for example, I have a hard time adapting to their being an infinite number of sexual identities and genital mutilation of children; that just doesn't fit well with the songs I learned to sing and clothes I prefer to wear. And, yes, I really do regard it as a mental illness. Some may disagree, but they - being generally sterile - will generally be left behind by evolution.




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Re: Musk Quote
By: Decomposed
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Sun, 04 Dec 22 5:46 PM
Msg. 37929 of 60008

Another interesting Musk quote is:

"Old people don’t change their minds, with rare exception, they just die. Without death, there would not be change."

He has previously elaborated, stating that if old, stale thinking does not "die," fresher, innovative thoughts will not come along and flourish. For that reason, extended lifetimes would result in civilizational stagnation.

It's a depressing thought with which I am not certain I agree. After all, Einstein was scoffed at but ultimately won out. Ramanujan couldn't find a mathematician who would take his proofs seriously . . . until one who was open minded did. Don't better ideas usually come out on top in the end by virtue of their being superior?

BTW, in Vernor Vinge's "Marooned In Real Time," all of humanity present for the singularity vanished. The few who returned to Earth following the singularity possessed varying levels of technology depending on how close to the singularity their lives had been. The individuals who'd been the closest were superpowers unto themselves. No government could threaten them. It's an interesting idea that I could see happening. Perhaps Musk views himself as almost being at that point.

I haven't seen anything by Vinge in which he stated the singularity would come in the 2020s. In fact, he's described various types of singularities in his stories, so I'm not sure which one he might think is going to happen now. One futurist who HAS talked of a technological singularity coming in the ballpark of 2030 is the inventor, Ray Kurzweil. He's no slouch either. In fact, I'd take his predictions over Vernor Vinge's. Kurzweil has written a book, "The Singularity is Near" that might interest some here. A link follows...
http://www.singularity.com/aboutthebook.html?utm_content=bufferc4b75&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer


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