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Re: DeSantis 2024 Is a Trap

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Tue, 13 Dec 22 4:01 PM | 74 view(s)
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"States formerly regarded themselves as coequal partners in the nation, not as subservient entities bowing to federal dictates."

I would LOVE to live in a country where I had 50 real choices and where the power at the center was mostly just to enforce the borders and ensure economic union. It saddens me to think that we once were that - and Abraham Lincoln took it from us.

"Whatever else the Civil War achieved, it did immeasurable damage to states’ freedom of action and, by extension, our own."

It substantially made was once a free "association" of states into a prison; sort of like Hotel California: "You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave."

But it laid the foundation for something arguably much worse: corporations which have MORE rights, more freedom, less liability, longer life, more power in elections, lower taxes, etc. than human citizens.

We were a nation of much more substantially free humans. Now we are much more a nation of indentured servants and far too many are ignorant CONSUMERS without any awareness of how we got here, and what was sacrificed.

"Corporations are people, my friend." -Mitt Romney

Few are aware that CORPORATIONS were the PRIMARY beneficiary of Lincoln's 14th Amendment (although voted in after Lincoln). Before the 14th, Corporations were extremely limited and were mostly used for large scale civic projects, such as building an expensive bridge, to benefit a local community. Indeed, they had limited life, limited purpose, and could not operate outside their very limited jurisdiction.

That was much of the basis for a statement I made about how we really aren't so much practicing "Free Market Capitalism" but, more, FASCISM (an alliance between Leviathan government and LARGE CORPORATIONS WITH INTERNATIONAL POWER. From the response I got, it was obvious some members of this forum were well behind on their history and economics education.

http://www.history.com/news/14th-amendment-corporate-personhood-made-corporations-into-people

http://www.npr.org/2014/07/28/335288388/when-did-companies-become-people-excavating-the-legal-evolution

P.S. FWIW, most of these articles whitewash and sweep under the rug a lot of how this happened and what it has arguably cost HUMANS. But if you read assiduously, you will find.

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DeSantis 2024 Is a Trap
By: Decomposed in 6TH POPE
Tue, 13 Dec 22 2:11 PM 		Msg. 38202 of 60008

December 12, 2022

DeSantis 2024 Is a Trap

If voter fraud is not addressed, it doesn’t matter who the candidate is, because democracy in America won’t exist.


by Dan Gelernter
AMGreatness.com


S     top trying to take Ron DeSantis away from Florida. Just stop it. I understand the rationale, but it’s wrong. It may be quite reasonable to be jealous of Florida for its governor—the only governor in the nation to win my coveted “competent” rating on every major issue. But before we encourage DeSantis and Donald Trump to have a falling out that splits the party (or, rather, before we let the RINO simps do it at the behest of Democrats and lots of Chinese money), let’s review a few salient points.

First, governors really matter now. The worse Washington gets—and it gets bigger and worse no matter who’s president because the bureaucrats never change—the more important states become. We need to stop thinking of the presidential election as the be-all and end-all of politics. It was never supposed to be that way. States were once so powerful that the federal government had to fight a Civil War to smack them down. States formerly regarded themselves as coequal partners in the nation, not as subservient entities bowing to federal dictates. Whatever else the Civil War achieved, it did immeasurable damage to states’ freedom of action and, by extension, our own.

States have it in their power to undo this damage by protecting their citizens from federal agents who operate outside the law. (Case in point: ATF agents showing up without warrants at peoples’ homes, attempting to entrap gun owners.) But that would require boldness and courage on a level I don’t expect from any governor. Maybe Kari Lake would have done it. But she had her election stolen. DeSantis is the only sitting governor who could conceivably have the strength of purpose to lead a great reawakening of states’ rights. As I say, I don’t expect it. But he’s the only one who could do it—and he won’t do it if he’s busy trying to get himself elected president.

And here’s the other thing about DeSantis. We can call it “the main thing”: DeSantis isn’t going to win in 2024. No Republican is, unless voter fraud is addressed first. That means voting in person, on Election Day, and with a valid picture ID, not voting by mail over the course of a month. If we don’t fix that—and we’re not fixing it—it does not matter who the candidate is: Trump, DeSantis, or any other Republican. None of them have a chance in hell. It has nothing to do with who they are.

I’m going to say this again, simply because far too many “conservative” writers are ignoring it: Trump did not lose in 2020. Republicans did not lose in 2022. If we think we can win with a broader “big-tent” message or with someone who does less mean tweeting, we, in our innocence, are actively helping to destroy this country.

Suppose we focus on candidates as opposed to the procedure of voting and the integrity of the ballot box. In that case, we are giving every crooked politician and bureaucrat in America the only thing they really want: A plausible excuse for Republicans to keep losing. As long as those of us who vote Republican are willing to continue fooling ourselves, Democrats will be only too happy to let us.

Trump, DeSantis—if you attack each other, you are damaging yourselves and us. We love you both, so stop it: DeSantis, wait for 2028. This “we need you in 2024” line is a trap. Trump, support DeSantis as governor. And get back on Twitter while you’re at it. Truth Social is not where it’s at.

If voter fraud is addressed, Trump will win in 2024. And he’ll make an even better president the second time around, because of everything he’s seen and everything we’ve seen since then. DeSantis’ time will come. But right now, we need him in Florida.

If we don’t address voter fraud, it doesn’t matter who the candidate is because democracy in America won’t exist, and your vote won’t matter—just as it hasn’t mattered for two years. How did we get from a prosperous nation and global peace to where we are now? It wasn’t just COVID. It was you. And it was me. Our government denied us the most important right we have—they stole our votes. And we said, “OK, I guess it must have been something we did.”

http://amgreatness.com/2022/12/12/desantis-2024-is-a-trap/

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