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Fiz > The US has the biggest F*-up military in the world. We have lost, lost, lost, lost, and lost again in all our battles since WW2.


A lot of stuff in there Fiz. And a lot of it is wrong.

Our military is FFFed up now. . . thanks to biden A.) pretending to remove 'white supremacist terrorists' from the ranks and B.) using the military as a woke-turd social experiment.

Between WWII and today the Troops won every battle . . . and the politicians surrendered the Wars.

Vietnam. The Tet Offensive . . . Walter Cronkite handed the N. Vietnamese a major propaganda victory . . . But what really happened with Tet? The Viet Cong failed to achieve any meaningful objectives and the Viet Cong was no longer a credible military threat after Tet.

The First Gulf War? The Troops did an excellent job of reducing saddam husseins 'legions' to scrap metal and dog food.

The invasion of Iraq? More of the same. I haven't forgotten a sand storm that swept across Iraq . . . The troops hunkering down for it to pass . . . The 'American Media' proudly proclaiming that the American Army was 'bogged down in an Iraqi quagmire' . . . And when the sand storm passed the guys went on to conquer Baghdad.

Afghanistan? Bush had the right idea. Send in the Special Forces types . . Massive American air power . . Inject the 'Northern Alliance' with (the equivalent of) steroids . . . And the Taliban found themselves out of power and our Special Forces were free to hunt and kill al-qaida wherever in Afghanistan they wanted to.

Barak obozo is the clown who shoveled a whole American Army into Afghanistan . . . and accomplished absolutely nothing. biden is the turd who surrendered America to the taliban.


Fiz > We have great—incredibly expensive—tech. But history says weapons, in the long run, do not primarily determine outcomes.


World War I. The 'new tech' machine guns mowed down the 'fighting spirit' in droves. It took more 'new tech' - the invention of the tank to end trench warfare.


Fiz > It is also why we LOST the war against the Vietnamese. And also the Taliban. It is also why the Russians lost to the Taliban.


Close, but not quite. The N.Vietnamese had Russian arms and munitions. During the Russians little adventure in Afghanistan it was we Americans (and a few others) who provided the 'mujaheedin' with the advanced weaponry etc. etc. that enabled them to kill Russians until the Russians got tired of having their sons brought home in body bags.

The 'fighting spirit' does account for something. But not enough if the military firepower difference is extreme enough.

For over forty years Eastern Europe lived under the Russian yoke. During those forty years there were several 'revolutions' - all of which were brutally put down by Russia. What ended it? I like to think it was a combination of Russia's problems in Afghanistan coupled with Ronald Reagans putting the Russians into an Arms Race they could not win . . . Culminating in the implosion of the old USSR.

And, Yes, China needs to be moved up to the top of our 'hit list'.

And I believe Trump was working on forming up something along the lines of NATO except it being more along the lines of a 'South Pacific Treaty Organization' rather than a North Atlantic. (The goal being to contain China's imperialistic ambitions.)

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Re: Major War; Between Russia and West Could Break Out over Ukraine, Warns NATO Chief
By: Fiz
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Tue, 13 Dec 22 4:55 PM
Msg. 38205 of 60008

Zim: "And, Fiz, I agree that the demon-rat party is 'public enemy number one' for the American People. But at the same time . . do I want Russia 'expanding their tax base' by seizing Ukraine . . or would I rather see Russia bled white trying."

Zim, you can't have it both ways. Average American people are being 'bled white' to pay for your football game. You can be certain both Biden and Putin are profiting. Why do you want to help YOUR ENEMIES profit? Why do you want to bleed the average American – or even the average Russian – to benefit your enemies?

Are you an example of Stockholm Syndrome?

The US has the biggest F*-up military in the world. We have lost, lost, lost, lost, and lost again in all our battles since WW2. We have a pretty much uninterrupted record of losing. You can be forgiven for not knowing that, because it isn't promoted in the press that way. But every war since WW2 has cost US citizens both economically and in terms of individual freedom from big government. It has cost some their limbs or their lives. I gather you are not one of them; but don't discount those who have paid even more than economically, and in terms of freedom, FOR HIGHER CORPORATE PROFITS.

So you can PRETEND, in your fantasy world, that "the US" is somehow winning - but you can't, in reality, factually deny that the US citizens lose more and more every time.

Put differently, RATIONALLY, war is not a productive enterprise; it does not create wealth in the societies which pursue it. It used to be nationally justified in terms of plunder, but I'm pretty sure you don't advocate US becoming a bandit state again...? Therefore, since war ALWAYS destroys wealth, US participation in war ALWAYS needs to paid for by US citizens. The cost is not shared equally: The 1/100th of 1%, who are profit from killing and selling killing technology, are net beneficiaries. Everyone else -- and you are one of the everyone else -- loses. You lose economically, you lose also in terms of freedoms...which NEVER come back.

We have great—incredibly expensive—tech. But history says weapons, in the long run, do not primarily determine outcomes. That is primarily determined by fighting spirit - by what one is fighting for, and if a large enough percentage of the population would PREFER death to losing. That is why we won the Revolutionary War, against a vastly superior British empire. It is also why we LOST the war against the Vietnamese. And also the Taliban. It is also why the Russians lost to the Taliban. It is also, primarily, why Russia could not be defeated by Napoleon nor by Hitler. It is why the unarmed Christians overcame the Roman Empire. Example, after example, after example. Primarily, in the long run, war outcomes are determined by what percent of the population is willing to PERSONALLY die to the last person in order to extinguish their enemy. You should know that; why don't you know that?

Wake up. If you want to chop your arm off in order to "get even" with Russia, go ahead and do it - ideally do it in person; pick up a gun and go take a bullet. But stop acting like you are being intelligent in your preference for US whoring and warring. It is the average American who pays and pays and pays again for the endless wars. Some few - including Biden - PROFIT. Stop serving your Masters whims. Stop being a puppet. Think, man, think.

All that said, we may yet have to fight a war - similar or worse than WW2 - for our very lives when China finally rises to world dominance. We shouldn't be squandering our money and freedoms in order to make Ukraine safe for more NATO bases and to make Biden, and his buddies, more booty. Wake up and smell the coffee. You are clearly bright enough to figure out the score, but you have to let go of your programming and actually upgrade yourself....and smell the coffee.


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