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Re: Major War; Between Russia and West Could Break Out over Ukraine, Warns NATO Chief

By: Zimbler0 in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
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Everything that came after, including the rapid transition of the US from the largest creditor in the world to the largest debtor nation, was arguably made inevitable by the decision to go kill people in Asia...for no sufficient reason.
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I don't think so Fiz.
Three things were happening during the Vietnam War. First, the War itself. Second, the 'Space Race'. And third, the 'War on Poverty'.

The War, and the Space Race both had technological spinoffs. Developing helicopters for air-mobile operations also gave us the technology for those 'Nightingale' helicopter ambulances used by many hospitals. Micro-electronics for space probes blazed the path for personal computers and cell phones today.

But, the 'War on Poverty'. Begat the welfare state which does nothing but devour American resources with nothing to show for it.

This article might help . . .

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Welfare vs. Defense, By the Numbers

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/welfare-vs-defense-numbers-kevin-d-williamson/

October 9, 2015

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That leaves us with the welfare category, the only area of federal spending that has grown significantly relative to the size of the U.S. economy. In 1957, it was 3.9 percent of GDP—not insignificant, to be sure; that’s a slightly larger figure than our present-day military spending. But welfare entitlement spending in 2015 is 15.2 percent of GDP. Which is to say, broadly defined welfare spending alone is equal to 86 percent of all the federal taxes that are going to be collected this year.
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(There is a lot more in the article than I posted. Feel free to read it for yourself.)

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Re: Major War; Between Russia and West Could Break Out over Ukraine, Warns NATO Chief
By: Fiz in 6TH POPE
Wed, 14 Dec 22 6:20 PM 		Msg. 38252 of 60008

Rbit, You are in delusion, I think.

Do you remember that we INHERITED the Vietnam war from France? That was both a CIVIL war (Catholics against Buddhists, with possibly a few other things going on) AND a war against foreign GRINGO colonialists.

You could have nuked Hanoi and all it would have done was turn us into butchers and turn those we fried into martyrs.

And, on the US side, there was never anything to "win". We couldn't win economically. And we couldn't win morally. Certainly, few believed Our Masters that losing Vietnam would create an existential threat to the average citizen of the United States.

But all that is only the tip of the iceberg.

http://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

Vietnam was really the beginning of the end for the United States. And by the time we pulled out, with our tail between our legs, VIETNAM HAD ALREADY BANKRUPTED THE UNITED STATES.

Everything that came after, including the rapid transition of the US from the largest creditor in the world to the largest debtor nation, was arguably made inevitable by the decision to go kill people in Asia...for no sufficient reason.

You want to blame the politicians, but the average citizen of the US never wanted that war to begin with, there was no consensual moral not economic imperative, and there was no "booty" sufficient to pay for it, even if we had genocided the Vietnamese to the last person and taken over the whole territory.

A good question, which I don't know enough to answer, is "What made Vietnam different from Korea"? Dividing Korea in two, created a stable and economically powerful S. Korea.

Maybe someone here can educate me further?

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