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Fiz > Wars are MISTAKES and WASTES.


Let me see. Had Russia successfully seized ALL of Ukraine in a short period of time with minimal destruction Putin would have expanded Russia's tax base. Increased Russia's food supply. And increased their military 'war toy' manufacturing abilities. Which sounds to me like it would have been a very good thing for Putin.

9-11 . . . Who funded osama bin ladin? And how do we keep such an atrocity from ever happening again?

There are times when Wars are necessary . . . and acting with 'appropriately excessive levels of violence' reduces 'our' casualties and convinces 'them' that War with the U.S. is a very bad idea.

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Re: Major War; Between Russia and West Could Break Out over Ukraine, Warns NATO Chief
By: Fiz
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Thu, 15 Dec 22 5:28 PM
Msg. 38300 of 60008

"it could be argued that since everyone dies anyway that all medical expenditures are a bad investment."

That's illogical. Again, it CAN come down to NET wealth gained or lost. If the person who is saved by the intervention goes on to create more net wealth than what it cost to save him, it was a win-win transaction all the way around. If not, then not.

I stressed "can", because I am not pretending that economic profitability is the only criteria by which to judge things. And knock on effects can be complicated and subject to different value chain estimates.

So, if you can look back at the situation and say "I am GLAD we spent our Constitutional rights and our children's future in order to fight a war in Vietnam, what can I say? What if I said that if we HADN'T done that, we wouldn't have collapsed our own Constituion and economy post 1971 -- and, thus, enabled Communist ideology to flourish in the US in 2020. Would you still chose the fighting over the thinking?

Wars are MISTAKES and WASTES. By that I mean, they may be forced upon you, but otherwise there WAS pretty much always a wiser path which, if taken earlier, would have pre-empted the war and the waste.

They are only profit centers in a zero sum game. Humanity needs to grow beyond zero sum thinking.


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