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Re: Major War; Between Russia and West Could Break Out over Ukraine, Warns NATO Chief

By: Zimbler0 in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
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vs. Iraq War, also called Second Persian Gulf War, (2003–11), conflict in Iraq that consisted of two phases.
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The invasion of Iraq. Launched with near unanimous Congressional approval.

The invasion of Iraq had three major justifications. Weapons of Mass Destruction - which I personally would not say justified the invasion. Human Rights violations - which, again, I would not say justifies an invasion. And saddam husseins support for islamic terrorists. Given 9-11 and the probability that saddam funded it I have no problem obliterating the S.O.B. for it.

Given that today Iraq is an independent country which no longer supports terrorism I'd say that Bush's objective in invading Iraq was successful.

But who funded 9-11? And who do we pummel for it?

Invade Afghanistan over it? And play 'whack-a-mole' for a couple of decades and withdraw after achieving absolutely nothing. Afghanistan is a terrible place for the U.S. to be 'fighting terrorism'. Just look at Russia's little adventure there.

I think it was Clo once screeched that 'we should invade Saudi Arabia' . . . Another bad idea. Saudi Arabia had little motivation for funding 9-11 . . Suadi Arabia needs the U.S. to help keep the stinking iranians at bay and we was their best oil customer.

Saddam Hussein now . . . Bully of Baghdad . . . Terrorist supporter extraordinaire . . . Corrupter of the United Nations . . . and Defier of U.N. Rsolutions. Iraq was a good place to invade - sea beaches, good roads, friendly countries bordering it to assemble our invasion force. And, by removing saddams regime the entire Islamic World sits up and takes notice. All the wanna-be terror mongers have to ask themselves 'will we be next?'.

And saddam hussein was well motivated to fund 9-11.

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Re: Major War; Between Russia and West Could Break Out over Ukraine, Warns NATO Chief
By: Fiz in 6TH POPE
Thu, 15 Dec 22 11:19 PM 		Msg. 38307 of 60008

Hi Micro, Wasn't the first foray into Iraq, in 1990, actually "Desert Storm"? That did not topple the Iraqi government nor kill Saddam Hussain.

I had to just look that up to make sure I wasn't getting the two operations confused? "Explore Operation Desert Storm, the 42-day U.S. led air offensive in response to Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait." http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2020.html

Also, I said it was an interesting case, which stretched the limits of my ad-hoc distinction between what *I* call a military operation (specific, limited scope with specific objective) vs. a full-blown war.

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vs. Iraq War, also called Second Persian Gulf War, (2003–11), conflict in Iraq that consisted of two phases. The first of these was a brief, conventionally fought war in March–April 2003, in which a combined force of troops from the United States and Great Britain (with smaller contingents from several other countries) invaded Iraq and rapidly defeated Iraqi military and paramilitary forces. It was followed by a longer second phase in which a U.S.-led occupation of Iraq was opposed by an insurgency. After violence began to decline in 2007, the United States gradually reduced its military presence in Iraq, formally completing its withdrawal in December 2011. http://www.britannica.com/event/Iraq-War
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Look, guys, I am not trying to prove I know more about war than you do. I AM proposing that a war which ends up permanently crippling, or even destroying, the supposed victor, isn't much of a victory. Even if it is paraded around as such by the military leadership.

If you look at this things through the longer term lens of history and, in particular, through an economic lens and Sun Tzu's Art of War the US wars post WW2 have been tragic events for the United States - from which we have never recovered fully, and never will.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1771.Sun_Tzu

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