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Very nice Sun Tzu quotes Fiz.

Now. How much is the invasion of Ukraine costing Russia?

I suspect that it is going to be a LOT more than it costs 'the West' to keep Putin from seizing his 'prize'.

And, I suspect that if we keep the ammunition etc. flowing into Ukraine, the Ukrainians will eventually kick the Russians out of all their country. Including Crimea and the Donbas. Reducing Russia's tax base and denying Russia the use of those shipyards on the Crimean peninsula.

Sun Tzu > If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them.

A LOT of Russians appear to be unhappy that too many of their sons are dying in Ukraine. A lot of Russians have fled Russia rather than be conscripted. Smells to me like by supporting Ukraine we are 'putting division between Putin and his subjects'.


Sun Tzu > “Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win”

Both U.S. Iraq Wars were fore-gone conclusions even before the hostilities began.

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Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
By: Fiz
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Thu, 15 Dec 22 11:40 PM
Msg. 38308 of 60008

We are having our clock cleaned by the patient, decades long *military* campaign of certain parties, certainly including the Chinese CCP. We are mostly, though, having our clock cleaned by our profoundly bad military-industrial-complex and deep state, which sees, and achieves, profit FOR ITSELF in every conflict, no exceptions. And even hopes to turns US deaths, and US collapse, into profit.

For some reason, the idea that the more you HAVE TO blow up things and kill people, the more you lose seems to offend people here. I have a few Sun Tzu quotes to chew on. Notice how NONE of these things are being done by the US military to any effect:

“Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War


If you lose vastly more wealth than you earn, with every "transaction", how many "transactions" is it best to participate in? -Fiz


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