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Re: Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"

By: Fiz in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
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I've not praised Putin's war in Ukraine as an example of "Art of War" thinking. On the other hand, unlike enemy-domestic Biden, he's not deficit spending, either. Russia has been preparing for many years to be able to weather a long siege without access to international capital markets. That is why US attempting to weaponize the SWIFT system didn't work and, mostly likely, is going to go down in the history books as one of the most brain-dead things a ruling empire has ever done.

Putin pays for all his weapons with oil, Zim. He has near infinite quantities of oil. And, in spite of that, he acts like a good steward of Russian wealth.

The US? We pay for everything with a credit card, pushing payments off onto our children and grandchildren. Do you have children or grandchildren? It is THEIR future Biden and his Democrats and NeoCons are squandering (curiously, with your enthusiastic support...)

Why don't you refute my core point: If you permanently lose vast wealth with every military adventure you undertake, how many military adventures should you aim to undertake? It is not advanced math.


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Re: Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
By: Zimbler0
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Fri, 16 Dec 22 1:23 AM
Msg. 38316 of 58656

Very nice Sun Tzu quotes Fiz.

Now. How much is the invasion of Ukraine costing Russia?

I suspect that it is going to be a LOT more than it costs 'the West' to keep Putin from seizing his 'prize'.

And, I suspect that if we keep the ammunition etc. flowing into Ukraine, the Ukrainians will eventually kick the Russians out of all their country. Including Crimea and the Donbas. Reducing Russia's tax base and denying Russia the use of those shipyards on the Crimean peninsula.

Sun Tzu > If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them.

A LOT of Russians appear to be unhappy that too many of their sons are dying in Ukraine. A lot of Russians have fled Russia rather than be conscripted. Smells to me like by supporting Ukraine we are 'putting division between Putin and his subjects'.


Sun Tzu > “Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win”

Both U.S. Iraq Wars were fore-gone conclusions even before the hostilities began.

Zim.


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