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Re: Jim Jordan to chair 'Weaponization of Government' Select Committee  

By: Decomposed in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (1)
Tue, 10 Jan 23 8:15 AM | 70 view(s)
Boardmark this board | 6th Edition Pope Board 		Msg. 39007 of 60008
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exCTJ and ribit:

Re: “Ya can’t detain someone and then try to figure out a crime. That’s not how it works. A lot of cops pull that shit and get sued. It’s because they are ignorant of the law. Most cops in the US need better training.”Many years ago, I committed what we called a "California stop" when I was a short block from my house. A California stop is where you don't fully stop at a stop sign while turning right. A cop on the other side of the intersection pulled behind me and flipped on his lights. I was a couple hundred feet from the court where I lived and thought pulling into my driveway would be less embarrassing, so I turned right and pulled into my driveway at the end of the court. It's a short court. Just eight houses including the two on the corners. The cop was livid. He apparently thought I was trying to run from him (at 15 mph).

He was aggressive from the start, initially asking loudly if I knew why I was being pulled over, to which I said I didn't even though I did. OMG. I lied! He got louder and said that I hadn't come to a stop, wasn't wearing my seat belt, hadn't pulled over when he lit me up, and had driven the wrong way on my street (I lived on the left side at the end of the court and had gone straight into my driveway instead of staying right and circling to my driveway. The court had a 50 yard diameter at its end, so we are talking about an insignificant amount of "wrong way" driving.)

I apologized and told him it was where I lived. He got angrier and told me he had no way of knowing who lived there... and maybe I was leading him into a trap. I said, "I'm sorry. I don't think like a cop when I'm being pulled over." That wasn't acceptable to him.

Now, in those days, I already knew not to volunteer anything to a policeman... and this one was already riled up. I answered his questions with "yeses" and "nos" and didn't say much else. He started talking about how much the citation might be and got even angrier because what he was saying didn't faze me. In fact, I was close to yawning since I was daytrading heavily and had gotten used to daily ups and downs that absolutely dwarfed what the cop was trying to intimidate me with. I remember thinking that some of my daily portfolio changes... including some really disturbing losses... would probably make his eyes pop. (I'm not trying to brag. I'm trying to make the point that the dollars represented by his ticket weren't at all stressful. I'd gotten used to far worse. And that, after just a few minutes, I had already formed a low opinion of the man.)

I'd been completely cooperative but my attitude clearly showed. And I think I wasn't upset enough to satisfy him. He, no doubt, was used to people being scared, crying, pleading and kissing his a$$ trying to get out of a ticket. He enjoyed his power. As ctj says, a lot of cops do. He actually began to yell trying to get a reaction or provoke me. I began to wonder if this was leading up to an arrest or even being hit.

Just as that was crossing my mind, fortunately, my 8-months-pregnant wife came outside to see what the yelling was about. (LOL... the whole event was over her having sent me to the neighborhood store because she had a craving for ice cream.) The cop saw her and immediately quieted down. He obviously knew how unprofessional he was behaving, and now there was a witness. He wrote me a ticket for the stop sign, not for anything else, and was gone in five minutes.

Sooo, ribit. Your claim that "...such paranoia is only found in people who have something to hide" is flat-out wrong. Some of us are just suspicious of cops. We know their trick about asking "Do you know why I pulled you over?" and other things, hoping we'll confess our guilt to the offense or maybe to something else as well. In such a situation, cops are NOT our friends. Quite the opposite. They're adversaries. And some are complete a$$holes too - a$$holes with a badge and a gun. Knowing that is more than enough reason for paranoia.








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Re: Jim Jordan to chair 'Weaponization of Government' Select Committee
By: ctj1950 in 6TH POPE
Tue, 10 Jan 23 4:52 AM 		Msg. 39000 of 60008

You’re still wrong. Just walking down the sidewalk isn’t against the law.
Nor is being outside at 3:00 in the morning.
Ya can’t detain someone and then try to figure out a crime. That’s not how it works.
A lot of cops pull that shit and get sued. It’s because they are ignorant of the law. Most cops in the US need better training.

Cops can’t just Stop someone and demand their ID.


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