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Re: Washington&Endless Wars. EVERY WAR is a war on the Constitution. 

By: Decomposed in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (1)
Tue, 21 Feb 23 11:16 AM | 42 view(s)
Boardmark this board | 6th Edition Pope Board 		Msg. 40265 of 60008
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Re: “I don't see how we could have 'stayed out' of the Civil War - unless one has no problem with dividing the country in two.”Do you think that if Italy tells the world that it wants out of NATO, we should declare war on it and kill a lot of people to keep it in? That's the impression your statement gives me. Is that what good people do?

The Civil War was fought because the South had been PICKED ON by a bullying, dominant North for years. They were sick and tired of it and wanted out.

It's my opinion that when the United States is doing such a poor, unfair, destructive job of running the country that numerous states want to leave, they should be allowed to leave and not be told that "If you try to, we will invade and kill you." So, you're right. I have "no problem with dividing the country in two." I think the states which joined voluntarily should be remaining VOLUNTARILY... because they actually like being here.

You see it differently. I understand. Most people see it the way you do. I bet even ribit - whose relatives were bullied and impoverished by the North, who then fought, died and ultimately failed to end Northern tyranny - sees it like you do. To me, your perspectives make no sense at all, but I guess they do to you.

Or have you just not thought it through?Re: “Surrender to the forces of communism?”Following World War II, we were primed to take down the U.S.S.R. Patton wanted to do so. We certainly could have -- easily. Instead, we handed them East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, and Albania. So I'd say there's a pretty good precedent for surrendering to the forces of Communism, even without a fight - so long as we're surrendering things that weren't ours in the first place.

As we eventually saw, we were able to defeat the forces of Communism - at least in Russia - without killing a generation of our boys and a tremendous number of foreign civilians. That's the approach we should have employed, both then and now. We SAW how to handle situations where bullying nations take over victim nations, but we apparently didn't learn - since we're right back to our old, stupid, expensive, losing ways.

Donald Trump correctly noted that forcing Russia - the world's energy giant - to join forces with China - the world's population and economic giant - is a colossally stupid move. If the war expands beyond Ukraine, the west will lose. Is it intelligent to destroy ourselves over Ukraine? It isn't even our ally.








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Re: Washington&Endless Wars. EVERY WAR is a war on the Constitution.
By: Zimbler0 in 6TH POPE
Tue, 21 Feb 23 2:32 AM 		Msg. 40258 of 60008

Decomposed > Which wars in which America fought should we have stayed out of?

My answer is: The Civil War, WW I, Korea, Vietnam, The second Iraq war, Afghanistan, Ukraine and probably some others if I knew their histories. But what's yours?

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I don't see how we could have 'stayed out' of the Civil War - unless one has no problem with dividing the country in two.

WWI -Perhaps.

Korea - and Vietnam - Surrender to the forces of communism? And then S. Korea was an independent nation when it was invaded by N.Korea - and for some strange reason I thought 'allowing' bigger stronger nations to gobble up smaller weaker nations was something not to be done?

The second Iraq War (The invasion of Iraq) was begat by the first Iraq War . . . And the invasion was THE Correct War to engage in to prosecute the 'War on Terror'. (If you would like me to try to explain myself just ask.)

Afghanistan? Barak Obozo made a 'YUGE' mistake shoveling an American Army of occupation into that arm-pit of the planet. Bush had the right idea - Pound the taliban ding-dongs into the dirt, turn the joint upside down and let the Afghani's themselves figure out how to run the place - while our 'Sneaky Pete' dudes find and kill al-qaida and taliban terrorists.

Ukraine - once again, do we want 'bigger stronger' countries gobbling up smaller weaker nations?

Zim.

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