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Re: Washington&Endless Wars. EVERY WAR is a war on the Constitution.

By: Zimbler0 in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
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Decomposed > The Civil War was fought because the South had been PICKED ON by a bullying, dominant North for years. They were sick and tired of it and wanted out.


There is that.
And there is the fact that I think I'd support spinning californica and the rest of the 'left coast' into independent nations . . with new yoke joke being another 'new nation'. (Rid ourselves of the worst of the 'woke retard' brigades).


Decomposed > Following World War II, we were primed to take down the U.S.S.R. Patton wanted to do so. We certainly could have -- easily.


Maybe. Maybe not.
Do you have any idea what happened to the Germans when they tried invading Russia? And then we Americans had provided Russia with enough planes and tanks and ammunition . . . Russia, I think, would have been a tougher nut to crack for U.S. than when the Germans invaded.

Personally I don't think Russia should have been allowed to keep all those nations after WWII . . . But we had the ravaged Western Europe to worry about getting back on its feet without trying to rebuild Eastern Europe.


Decomposed > Donald Trump correctly noted that forcing Russia - the world's energy giant - to join forces with China - the world's population and economic giant - is a colossally stupid move. If the war expands beyond Ukraine, the west will lose. Is it intelligent to destroy ourselves over Ukraine? It isn't even our ally.


True. And Russia has to consider the ramifications of becoming a Chinese vassal state.

And Russia isn't really 'the worlds energy giant'. The U.S. has a LOT of fossil fuels. Canada has lots of fossil fuels. North Sea Oil? The Israeli's pulling gas from beneath the mediterranean. How big are the Saudi oil reserves?

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Re: Washington&Endless Wars. EVERY WAR is a war on the Constitution.
By: Decomposed in 6TH POPE
Tue, 21 Feb 23 11:16 AM 		Msg. 40265 of 58579

Zimbler0:

Re: “I don't see how we could have 'stayed out' of the Civil War - unless one has no problem with dividing the country in two.”Do you think that if Italy tells the world that it wants out of NATO, we should declare war on it and kill a lot of people to keep it in? That's the impression your statement gives me. Is that what good people do?

The Civil War was fought because the South had been PICKED ON by a bullying, dominant North for years. They were sick and tired of it and wanted out.

It's my opinion that when the United States is doing such a poor, unfair, destructive job of running the country that numerous states want to leave, they should be allowed to leave and not be told that "If you try to, we will invade and kill you." So, you're right. I have "no problem with dividing the country in two." I think the states which joined voluntarily should be remaining VOLUNTARILY... because they actually like being here.

You see it differently. I understand. Most people see it the way you do. I bet even ribit - whose relatives were bullied and impoverished by the North, who then fought, died and ultimately failed to end Northern tyranny - sees it like you do. To me, your perspectives make no sense at all, but I guess they do to you.

Or have you just not thought it through?Re: “Surrender to the forces of communism?”Following World War II, we were primed to take down the U.S.S.R. Patton wanted to do so. We certainly could have -- easily. Instead, we handed them East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, and Albania. So I'd say there's a pretty good precedent for surrendering to the forces of Communism, even without a fight - so long as we're surrendering things that weren't ours in the first place.

As we eventually saw, we were able to defeat the forces of Communism - at least in Russia - without killing a generation of our boys and a tremendous number of foreign civilians. That's the approach we should have employed, both then and now. We SAW how to handle situations where bullying nations take over victim nations, but we apparently didn't learn - since we're right back to our old, stupid, expensive, losing ways.

Donald Trump correctly noted that forcing Russia - the world's energy giant - to join forces with China - the world's population and economic giant - is a colossally stupid move. If the war expands beyond Ukraine, the west will lose. Is it intelligent to destroy ourselves over Ukraine? It isn't even our ally.

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