Msg. 40439 of 58571 (This msg. is a reply to
40425 by
Decomposed)
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Decomposed > You're a military buff, so you know full well what the difference is. In the Korean war, Kim Il-sung did not win. But neither was he defeated.
But Kim Il-sung never managed to go back and conquer S. Korea. (And I would postulate that his death rendered him 'defeated'.)
In the first U.S. Iraq War saddam hussein was forced to cough up Kuwait. From what I remember reading, saddam hussein believed - till that hangmans noose was put on his neck - that Kuwait was supposed to be his.
We lost Vietnam. It was 're-united' the way N. Vietnam wanted it and 'We' never 'took it back'. (Not that I want to do anything at all to 'try and take it back'. I want to leave Vietnam to be it's own country.) In that sense Nixon was defeated.
Putin and Ukraine? At the moment I don't see Putin recognizing that Ukraine is not 'his'.
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