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Fiz > Where does it start...and end?


An excellent question.

Way back when . . . Call it before 1900 . . . Countries stealing real estate from other countries was the way much of the world was ran.

In fact, up to the 1940's 'expansion' via stealing other peoples lands was still being practiced. Germany trying to eat all of Europe, then Russia . . . Japan eating most of China and threatening Australia . . .

But today . . . with all the nuclear weapons . . . the world can not allow such imperialistic acquisitions. Because eventually the 'Biggest Bullies' with the most nukes will wind up trying to acquire each others real estates and the nukes will fly.


By the way,
When there are obvious flaws in your arguments it becomes all too easy to simply ignore them.

Take your assertion that Texas was 'stolen' from Mexico. I just checked,
http://www.thestoryoftexas.com/discover/texas-history-timeline
In 1835 Texas revolted from Mexican rule. In 1836 Texas was an independent country. And in 1846 Texas was annexed by the United States. I suspect willingly.

As for Panama . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Panama
Once upon a time most of South America and the isthmus between N. and S. America was part of the Empire of Spain . . . Should all that still be Spains? I see in the article where the U.S. intervened several times in Panama's affairs . . . but I do not see where the U.S. invaded to steal it. Bottom line, Panama is an independent country - not a U.S. territory.

Zim.




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Re: AMAZING. Suggest everyone watch it again. Re: Tucker's warning if Ukraine war continues
By: Fiz
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Sat, 25 Feb 23 11:57 PM
Msg. 40489 of 58549

Zim: "What I want . . . Is a world in which everybody recognizes borders as borders and nobody tries to steal other countries properties."

I have partial sympathy for your position. However, it is a very, very, very, very, very slippery slope there, Zim!

We broke away from England with war, claiming the right to break away because we weren't adequately represented. Are you opposed to what the Founders said? http://www.learnliberty.org/blog/the-declaration-of-independence-says-we-have-the-right-to-overthrow-the-government/


How do you feel about Hawaii? We STOLE it, you know. So, are you saying that we have to give it back to the natives? Or are you saying that you can't leave "starting when *I*, Zim the King, say so!" ;-)

Again, EASTERN UKRAINIANS ARE RUSSIAN. Indeed, eastern Ukrainians were NOT represented reasonably by the Ukrainian government. Use of the Russian language was forbidden on TV, in local schools, etc.

And then you get into the fact that the Russians ASSIGNED (there was no vote) areas of Crimea and the Donbass, that WERE RUSSIAN, to the district which eventually became Ukraine when the USSR fell apart. It was a dictator who assigned it, and it was assigned strictly to make governance in the USSR more "efficient" (no other reason, as far as I am aware).

It goes on and on. Are you saying that the people live and work in North Eastern California, who are overwhelmingly Republican (or, at least, avowedly antagonistic to Wokeness and the Democratic Party's Marxism and Covid lockdowns, should be shot if they try to separate into a smaller, more governable and representative state?

Where does it start...and end? With one dictator, one conquerer, after another. Did you know that Texas and California were STOLEN from another government which BETTER represented the vast majority of the population (who were Spanish, before the invasion...and native indian before an earlier invasion)? You probably did.

Did you know that Panama was PaRT of Columbia until the US invaded because they wanted to STEAL a piece of land for another purpose?

Let me know when you find a "moral" way to settle the issue! ;->


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