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Thanks for writing about this.

If you don't mind, I would appreciate reading a little about how you select your stocks. I gather dividends are your most crucial metric, but I gather you look deeper than just the current APR of he dividend?

Outside of stocks, I am more of a real asset, real returns kind of guy. However, the stock market AND US TAX LAW, in general, hasn't rewarded companies for paying dividends in the last 30–40 years (http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2012/12/07/tax-code-rewards-debt-penalizes-dividends/).

Actually, it is worse than that: Most companies which pay dividends are punished mercilessly. Dividends are not considered as COST of attracting investment capital (as interest on a bond or bank borrowing is treated) but as a SQUANDERING...a stupidity. It is a NON_EXPENSABLE *LOSS*. Just think about that.... The Congress wanted to encourage speculation (gambling). It didn't want stocks to be a legitimate, predictable asset anymore. (I expect it was to help aid and provide cover for the wtfhappenedin1971.com heist).

http://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/stock-buybacks-were-once-illegal-why-are-they-legal-now

What is not recognized GENERALLY, in the stock-buying public (and sometimes not by me, I confess), is: partial ownership (so you have no control) in an "asset" which does not pay you in predicable cashflows of dividends, interest, or salary to is technically worth ZERO. (Except for gambling thrills in a rigged market)

I mean, if I said, "if you give me money (which I can stick in my pocket) I give you NOTHING in return...forever!!!!" ;-> All for me; nothing for thee!

How many people would be stupid enough to buy my "asset"? Would the government even allow it? And, yet, US tax law and Central Cranking have foisted this stupidity off on the American public as "investing in stocks". And it is seldom to never questioned by normal citizens.

In finance, and still in residential real estate and hard business investing, the VALUE of an asset is the discounted value of future cash flows. Period. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/presentvalue.asp. So, anything which is does not cash flow TO ANYONE BUT INSIDERS is worth zero.

I'm sure you know that, Zim, and I admire your discipline in buying dividend paying stocks even during a long period (40+ years) when dividends have been belittled while speculation has been rewarded.

But, getting back on topic, how do you select for your companies?


"Experience keeps a dear school, but a fool will learn in no other." - Franklin


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Re: Zim
By: Zimbler0
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Sat, 11 Mar 23 1:30 AM
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CTJ1950 > How is your portfolio looking now?


Been going down lately . . . No real surprise there I guess. But the dividend checks keep coming in.

As for Dominion Energy . . . A couple few years ago they gave me a dividend cut . . . And I think in 2020 some turd of an executive sent out a news letter bragging about how proud they was to be sponsoring black lives matter . . . And my 25 Feb printout says D currently has an EPS of $1.09 versus a dividend payout of $2.67 (annual).

Yeah, Big-D's dividend cut was in 2020. That was also the last year I bought any of it and I currently do not intend to buy more. (I'm also not selling it either.)

For power companies I also own some BKH (Black Hills Corp.) and OGE (OGE Energy - Oklahoma.) I like both of these.

Some of my largest holdings : McCormick Spices (MKC) 9% . . . Proctor & Gamble (PG) 8.5%, General Mills (GIS) 7.8%, OGE at 7.5% . . . Dominion (D) is currently 5.6%

KMB, CLX, COP, and ADM plus some others are also in my portfolio.

The percentages are percentages of my portfolio value . .

By the way, Dominion is the first actual stock I bought some of, and I started buying it in 1997. And I have not sold any of what I bought. (Direct Stock Purchase Plan.)

As long as 'everybody' pays out the dividends I'm not going to sweat the share prices so much.

Zim.


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