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Re: A Blessed Easter to all of you !

By: Fiz in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
Mon, 10 Apr 23 2:48 AM | 64 view(s)
Boardmark this board | 6th Edition Pope Board 		Msg. 41711 of 60008
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I think there is a huge gulf between direct experience and just taking another person's explanation as gospel. I like to think that the age of "religion" is behind us but the age of "spirituality" (based on direct experience and not just another charismatic Jim Jones figure) may be ahead.

Just my two cents in a deep well.

One other point: trying to explain everything away with physics always ends at a point of "just give me one free miracle". There are other hypotheses, De, beyond the two you mentioned. Roger Penrose has posited one in which the universe at the end cycles back (becomes indistinguishable from bing bang conditions in physics terms) into another universe.

And if THAT's what is happening, it curiously resembles what Indian mystics described as the cosmic "origin" thousands of years ago, based upon their direct experience in Samadhi. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology)

But Penrose claims there is actually experimental evidence for his hypothesis in the non-uniformity of the cosmic background radiation (Hawking Points). This evidence contradicts the Multiverse hypothsis, and also says that the Big Bang isn't the beginning.

Neither of your other hypotheses have a SHRED of physical evidence to back them up (edit: other than cosmic expansion)...just replacing a purposeful universe with a great shrug of the shoulders, IMO. I'd say, at this point, Penrose is arguably THE greatest living physicist. More to the point, he is the only living physicist I am aware of who clearly has evidenced the sort of supernaturally deep, disruptive genius we saw in Einstein, Dirac, and Feynman (those three were like space aliens;-).

Beyond Penrose, all the notably living others are really smart -- but IMO not insanely genius/great (http://academicinfluence.com/rankings/people/most-influential-physicists-today#thorne). Penrose is very old now, but his hypothesis and other major contributions came to him many decades ago when he was tolerably young; only the evidence is more recent.

“It’s almost as if science said, “Give me one free miracle, and from there the entire thing will proceed with a seamless, causal explanation.”’17 The one free miracle was the sudden appearance of all the matter and energy in the universe, with all the laws that govern it.”

― Rupert Sheldrake, The Science Delusion: Freeing the Spirit of Enquiry


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Re: A Blessed Easter to all of you !
By: Decomposed in 6TH POPE
Sun, 09 Apr 23 8:00 PM 		Msg. 41707 of 60008

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Re: “All who have trusted Christ have their names recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life.”I'll look forward to the longer explanation. (I hope you have the energy for such a complicated reply.) It's totally understandable, by the way, if you don't have an explanation. There are some things that fall into the purview of "The Lord works in mysterious ways," after all. In that case, no sweat.

Remember: I'm wondering about the hundreds or possibly thousands of generations of people who came BEFORE Christ. They couldn't very well have faith in him . . . since the salvation he would one day offer came thousands or tens of thousands of years too late. It has always seemed to me that all those people were more or less screwed and just forgotten by Christian minsters because they are, literally, dead and buried in the distant past. Forgetting them is easy and works for most people. Unfortunately, I'm here, always looking for things that don't make much sense.

There is no reason I can see why God should care about me and not about them. So this is something I find disturbing.

I continue to believe, by the way, in the multiple-worlds theory of quantum physics. There are only two possibilities that have been posited and which cover everything we can experimentally test: The Copenhagen Theory that says, among other things, that all of the universe's particles "decide" when they get measured or are detected what it is that they did (the theory practically imparts them with intelligence!), and the Multiple-worlds Theory that says that every time a particle can act in more than one way, all of those things happen and the universe splits. In such a universe, the path from past to future is not linear. There are virtually infinite futures and we only get to see one of them.

Why am I bringing this up? Because "Heaven" loses a lot of its significance if there are an infinite number of "me's" and only some of them gain admission.

But I am genuinely interested in your answer. Thanks! (And have a terrific, HEALTHY Easter!)

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