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Re: “where he discusses the problems he has with string theory and, in particular, the Multi-verse idea (which is an outgrowth of string theory, specifically, I think).”
Thanks! You aren't correct with the above, though. The "Multi-verse" concept dates back at least as far as Jack Williamson's "The Legion of Time," published in 1938. But it really gained steam in 1957 when Hugh Everett put "Many worlds" onto a secure mathematical foundation as part of his Ph.d. at Princeton. Einstein would have loved it. (Too bad he died in 1955.) Copenhagen shows that God really does play dice with the universe. Under Many worlds, he doesn't.

Everett demonstrated mathematically that his theory is just as sound as the Copenhagen interpretation. The chief difference is that under Copenhagen, the cat is neither alive nor dead until we open the box. Under Many worlds, its status is defined and concrete all along, but it is "alive" in one world and "dead" in another, with no possibility of communication between the two worlds since they split and rapidly diverge, moving not parallel but sideways to one another.

The theory has not displaced Copenhagen because, unfortunately, it makes exactly the same predictions. In the world of physics, the familiar always has an advantage. Many worlds does, however, remove the seemingly paradoxical features from the double-slit experiments and from some of the thought experiments Einstein concocted as arguments against Copenhagen.

String theory originated, I believe, in the 1970s.








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Re: A Blessed Easter to all of you !
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Mon, 10 Apr 23 5:06 PM
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There are many open-questions in all the theories I've heard of. If you search for a Penrose video or two you will find one where he discusses the problems he has with string theory and, in particular, the Multi-verse idea (which is an outgrowth of string theory, specifically, I think). I've posted a few of his video interviews in the past.

The problem with STRING THEORY (and thus, I believe, with Multiverse which, as I said, apparently relies on String Theory) is that the universes are so separated that there not only is no obvious way to test for it - it appears to be IMPOSSIBLE to ever prove it, at all, as a precondition of string theory!

BTW, there are MANY unresolved issues in physics. I thought we were talking about possible theories for the origin of the universe ... which is pretty much tantamount to origin of the Big Bang, at this point (aka, what came BEFORE the "Bang").

I don't think Copenhagen Theory addresses the origin question, does it?

Again, I am not a physicist, just a lay person interested in the topic quite a bit and for some time.

Penrose admits that his "theory" is more of a hypothesis at this time, and needs someone else to work out the math (he is in his nineties now). What it DOES have going for it, is that if there were "prior" universes as he hypothesizes, they WOULD be expected to leave a clear signal in our own "Big Bang". And so, indeed, when the microwave background radiation was recently measured:

The background was NOT uniform. What does that matter?
(1) String/Multiverse says it should have been uniform.
(2) Penrose's hypothesis says it would NOT be uniform, as prior gravition in any previous universe would affect the starting conditions IN ACCORD WITH HIS HYPOTHESIS.


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