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Re: “I don't think Copenhagen Theory addresses the origin question, does it?”
There are MANY hypotheses extant where it does just that. But inasmuch as the interpretation is incomplete, there are gaping holes which could certainly lead one to argue that it doesn't do a good job of accounting for many things, including the universe's origin. I think you're familiar with Wheeler, so here's his explanation: He considers the whole universe to be a participatory, self-excited circuit. Starting from the Big Bang, the universe expanded and cooled; after billions of years it produced beings capable of observing the universe. Acts of observer-participancy - via the mechanism of the delayed-choice experiment - in turn gave tangible reality to the universe, not only now but back to the beginning. Time, after all, is meaningless to photons. They move at the speed of light. In fact, the theory says that antiphotons that travel BACKWARD in time exist and appear all the 'time.' To a photon, the Big Bang and the present are as one. How's THAT for wild? But it's really no stranger than the idea that any quantum action only becomes 'real' when it is observed. By observing the photons of the cosmic background radiation, the echo of the Big Bang, we may be creating the Big Bang and the universe.

Copenhagen provides an explanation for the spontaneous appearance of particles out of "nothing." The Big Bang is, thusly, a possible outcome.








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Re: A Blessed Easter to all of you !
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Mon, 10 Apr 23 5:06 PM
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There are many open-questions in all the theories I've heard of. If you search for a Penrose video or two you will find one where he discusses the problems he has with string theory and, in particular, the Multi-verse idea (which is an outgrowth of string theory, specifically, I think). I've posted a few of his video interviews in the past.

The problem with STRING THEORY (and thus, I believe, with Multiverse which, as I said, apparently relies on String Theory) is that the universes are so separated that there not only is no obvious way to test for it - it appears to be IMPOSSIBLE to ever prove it, at all, as a precondition of string theory!

BTW, there are MANY unresolved issues in physics. I thought we were talking about possible theories for the origin of the universe ... which is pretty much tantamount to origin of the Big Bang, at this point (aka, what came BEFORE the "Bang").

I don't think Copenhagen Theory addresses the origin question, does it?

Again, I am not a physicist, just a lay person interested in the topic quite a bit and for some time.

Penrose admits that his "theory" is more of a hypothesis at this time, and needs someone else to work out the math (he is in his nineties now). What it DOES have going for it, is that if there were "prior" universes as he hypothesizes, they WOULD be expected to leave a clear signal in our own "Big Bang". And so, indeed, when the microwave background radiation was recently measured:

The background was NOT uniform. What does that matter?
(1) String/Multiverse says it should have been uniform.
(2) Penrose's hypothesis says it would NOT be uniform, as prior gravition in any previous universe would affect the starting conditions IN ACCORD WITH HIS HYPOTHESIS.


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