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Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, "Gain Firm Foothold" On Held Territories

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Re: “If I were Ukraine I'd just keep on killing Russians till either Russia imploded (again) or they left every square millimeter of Ukraine.”
Can we agree that you'd also stop once they killed you?

It seems to me naïve to believe news reports. This goes for reports from either side. They're all propaganda.

Territory maps (posted below) are probably a more objective means of adjudging progress.

From what I see, Russia had its biggest success in terms of territory by August, 2022. At that point, Ukrainian forces pushed back, reclaiming land outside Kharkiv in the north. In November, it tried to do the same in the south, near Kherson, without much success. I hear that Russia retreated from Kherson, but the maps don't show it. Russia is now making its own push, fighting to take Bakhmut. What I hear is that the city is 80% claimed.

Cities are of far greater import than rural lands, so my sense is that whoever wins Bakhmut has the momentum.





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Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, "Gain Firm Foothold" On Held Territories
By: ribit
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Sun, 16 Apr 23 2:49 AM
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Because I wouldn't. If I were Ukraine I'd just keep on killing Russians till either Russia imploded (again) or they left every square millimeter of Ukraine.
 

...me neither. Besides all this would be for Russia would be a timeout while they regrouped, rearmed and came back. The only way I see is to beat em so bad they run back under their rock and refuse to come out.


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