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Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, "Gain Firm Foothold" On Held Territories

By: Fiz in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
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Fiz: "you aren't sufficiently strategic, and you don't appear to play a very deep game (fully incorporating feedback and frame). That is generally a failing of NeoCons, Socialists, and children."

I already spoke to the latter part of my sentence. I will confess, however, that I personally disdain what NeoCons advocate. And I think it is the primary reason we have lost our limited Republic (arm in arm with our banking system, which enables the limitless spending of forever war, I should qualify).

I thought I would say a few words about the first part of my sentence: "you aren't sufficiently strategic, and you don't appear to play a very deep game (fully incorporating feedback and frame)."

Chess is a deep game. One of the things which distinguishes top players from beginners is VERY complex, hard to follow strategy.

Another thing is that top players will commonly quit very early in a game. The reason? They can see many moves ahead and they figure their opponent can, also. Novices and bystanders, on the other hand, have very limited ability to look ahead.

So, again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo
"You've got to know when to hold em; know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away. And know when to run."

I believe we were baited and suckered into Ukraine. Putin was expecting our engagement. And so was China. And weaponizing the banking system was an abolutely idiot move -- which is, and will, cost us our Republic.

So my sentence was carefully thought out, actually. NeoCons don't appear to think very deeply. They seem to think war is only and always about tanks, guns, and bombs. But China and Russia are mostly playing chess (or maybe Go). The US, and US NeoCons, seem to be only capable of playing checkers. The failure to see the deep game is probably going to cost us everything. Indeed, it probably already has: the trail of United States, mostly NeoCon, shallow thinking and bumbles goes back several decades, at least: to the STRATEGIC decision by leaders in the former USSR to risk peaceful disbanding instead of a "cold war" which they had long since already lost.

The *disbanding* of the USSR's empire reminds me of the *disbanding* of the UK's foreign empire. Neither of these should be sneered as mere "collapse". These two examples of an empire FORFEITING were ARTFUL, civilized, and should be RESPECTED. Compare those intentional, peaceful FORFEIT of game to the disgraceful, barbaric, un-necessary, bloodbaths of Rome, France, Germany, etc.

USSR, and UK, *could* have gone down the shambles, as the US seems determined to go: taking everything with it a bloodbath to end all bloodbaths. But they were more self-possessed, decent, and sane than our leadership appears to be.


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Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, "Gain Firm Foothold" On Held Territories
By: Fiz
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Sun, 16 Apr 23 8:30 PM
Msg. 41840 of 60008

I like children; adore them, actually.

I would probably qualify as a classic liberal, 70 years ago (I like liberty; I favor humans over corporations). So, I prefer Socialism to Corporatism (=Fascism, according to Mussolini's original definition). That isn't to say I like "Socialism" -- as practiced. As practiced is stunningly different than the way it was sold: as FHA loans, so people own houses; Social Security for the indigent; and Medicare to keep people from dying on the street.

NeoCon is a WORD, which the NeoCons, themselves, apparently embraced as the name for their empire building: http://www.etymonline.com/word/neocon. (And, by the way, empire has a definition, also, and a long history).

So NeoCon is not an insult, per se. To the extent you subscribe to its principles, you should be PROUD to be recognized as a NeoCon. Its primary tenant, distinguishing it from the older term "Conservative", is its core embrace of endless foreign war.

It seems strange to me that both NeoCons and DEMOCRATS seem so conjoined at the hip in their enthusiasm for endless foreign military adventures. It also seems notable that approximately NONE of the NeoCons nor of the "NeoLibs" seem willing to risk a bullet PERSONALLY to advance any of their foreign military adventures.. But - perhaps - I have misjudged and you and Zim are quite willing to go go Ukraine?

Tell you what: I am willing to buy you a ticket so you can go and die for Ukraine, fighting your preferred enemy "Russia, Russia, Russia", instead of dying trying to fight, at home, for your Republic.

I'm serious here. I will pay for your ticket, but you will need to actually go to the front lines in Ukraine (or better yet, invade Russia itself) or the deal is off.

I suggest you think carefully about my offer, and not speak in haste. Yes, I would probably use an escrow holder to make sure BOTH of us perform.


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