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41862 Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, Gain Firm Foothold On Held Territories
   Fiz > But China and Russia are mostly playing chess (or maybe Go).... 		Zimbler0   6TH POPE   17 Apr 2023
 2:25 AM
41861 Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, Gain Firm Foothold" On Held Territories
   Fiz > Chess is a deep game. One of the things which distinguishes top... 		Zimbler0   6TH POPE   17 Apr 2023
 2:06 AM

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Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, "Gain Firm Foothold" On Held Territories

By: Fiz in 6TH POPE
Sun, 16 Apr 23 9:11 PM
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Fiz: "you aren't sufficiently strategic, and you don't appear to play a very deep game (fully incorporating feedback and frame). That is generally a failing of NeoCons, Socialists, and children."

I already spoke to the latter part of my sentence. I will confess, however, that I personally disdain what NeoCons advocate. And I think it is the primary reason we have lost our limited Republic (arm in arm with our banking system, which enables the limitless spending of forever war, I should qualify).

I thought I would say a few words about the first part of my sentence: "you aren't sufficiently strategic, and you don't appear to play a very deep game (fully incorporating feedback and frame)."

Chess is a deep game. One of the things which distinguishes top players from beginners is VERY complex, hard to follow strategy.

Another thing is that top players will commonly quit very early in a game. The reason? They can see many moves ahead and they figure their opponent can, also. Novices and bystanders, on the other hand, have very limited ability to look ahead.

So, again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo
"You've got to know when to hold em; know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away. And know when to run."

I believe we were baited and suckered into Ukraine. Putin was expecting our engagement. And so was China. And weaponizing the banking system was an abolutely idiot move -- which is, and will, cost us our Republic.

So my sentence was carefully thought out, actually. NeoCons don't appear to think very deeply. They seem to think war is only and always about tanks, guns, and bombs. But China and Russia are mostly playing chess (or maybe Go). The US, and US NeoCons, seem to be only capable of playing checkers. The failure to see the deep game is probably going to cost us everything. Indeed, it probably already has: the trail of United States, mostly NeoCon, shallow thinking and bumbles goes back several decades, at least: to the STRATEGIC decision by leaders in the former USSR to risk peaceful disbanding instead of a "cold war" which they had long since already lost.

The *disbanding* of the USSR's empire reminds me of the *disbanding* of the UK's foreign empire. Neither of these should be sneered as mere "collapse". These two examples of an empire FORFEITING were ARTFUL, civilized, and should be RESPECTED. Compare those intentional, peaceful FORFEIT of game to the disgraceful, barbaric, un-necessary, bloodbaths of Rome, France, Germany, etc.

USSR, and UK, *could* have gone down the shambles, as the US seems determined to go: taking everything with it a bloodbath to end all bloodbaths. But they were more self-possessed, decent, and sane than our leadership appears to be.