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Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, Gain Firm Foothold" On Held Territories

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Fiz > Chess is a deep game. One of the things which distinguishes top players from beginners is VERY complex, hard to follow strategy.


I played chess when I was young . . . The 'strategies' are not that hard to follow. If one knows they exist.

Back in the day there was a series of matches which made the newspaper. (Fischer vs. Spassky | World Chess Championship 1972). My brother and I set up and followed the games on our own chess board. Our playing styles were radically different - and we could not, at first, figure out why the Grand Masters was letting the pawns live in the middle of the board. Till we played from their games - and learned that those pawns were part of an 'international power struggle' for the center of the board. He who maintained control of the center of the board usually won.

Fiz > I believe we were baited and suckered into Ukraine. Putin was expecting our engagement.

No sir.
Senile dog turd biden had told Putin that a 'minor incursion' would be tolerated. Senile dog turd had also surrendered to the taliban.

Putin thought that his 'Army' would easily over-run the Ukrainians and he would have all of Ukraine in his hip pocket long before the 'West' could organize effective assistance.

Instead, the Ukrainians with those Javelin anti-tank missiles provided by Trump started blowing Russian tank turrets off . . . Russias re-supply and re-fuel trucks started getting blown up . . . And the Russian invasion of Ukraine stalled out.

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Re: Wagner Chief Calls On Putin To Declare End Of War, "Gain Firm Foothold" On Held Territories
By: Fiz
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Sun, 16 Apr 23 9:11 PM
Msg. 41842 of 60008

Fiz: "you aren't sufficiently strategic, and you don't appear to play a very deep game (fully incorporating feedback and frame). That is generally a failing of NeoCons, Socialists, and children."

I already spoke to the latter part of my sentence. I will confess, however, that I personally disdain what NeoCons advocate. And I think it is the primary reason we have lost our limited Republic (arm in arm with our banking system, which enables the limitless spending of forever war, I should qualify).

I thought I would say a few words about the first part of my sentence: "you aren't sufficiently strategic, and you don't appear to play a very deep game (fully incorporating feedback and frame)."

Chess is a deep game. One of the things which distinguishes top players from beginners is VERY complex, hard to follow strategy.

Another thing is that top players will commonly quit very early in a game. The reason? They can see many moves ahead and they figure their opponent can, also. Novices and bystanders, on the other hand, have very limited ability to look ahead.

So, again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo
"You've got to know when to hold em; know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away. And know when to run."

I believe we were baited and suckered into Ukraine. Putin was expecting our engagement. And so was China. And weaponizing the banking system was an abolutely idiot move -- which is, and will, cost us our Republic.

So my sentence was carefully thought out, actually. NeoCons don't appear to think very deeply. They seem to think war is only and always about tanks, guns, and bombs. But China and Russia are mostly playing chess (or maybe Go). The US, and US NeoCons, seem to be only capable of playing checkers. The failure to see the deep game is probably going to cost us everything. Indeed, it probably already has: the trail of United States, mostly NeoCon, shallow thinking and bumbles goes back several decades, at least: to the STRATEGIC decision by leaders in the former USSR to risk peaceful disbanding instead of a "cold war" which they had long since already lost.

The *disbanding* of the USSR's empire reminds me of the *disbanding* of the UK's foreign empire. Neither of these should be sneered as mere "collapse". These two examples of an empire FORFEITING were ARTFUL, civilized, and should be RESPECTED. Compare those intentional, peaceful FORFEIT of game to the disgraceful, barbaric, un-necessary, bloodbaths of Rome, France, Germany, etc.

USSR, and UK, *could* have gone down the shambles, as the US seems determined to go: taking everything with it a bloodbath to end all bloodbaths. But they were more self-possessed, decent, and sane than our leadership appears to be.


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