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By: Fiz in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (1)
Fri, 28 Apr 23 3:38 AM | 47 view(s)
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Micro: "the Founders were just a little busy"

I know, Micro, I am just frustrated. Thank you for reminding me.

Especially when you realize that the US won the war against England only in 1983, and the first attempt at consensus government failed massively it is easier to appreciate the imperfections, and the effort to get things as good as they were. It was almost a twenty year process to get from the decision to break away to the decision to massively restrict centralized power and preserve actual sovereignty to the CITIZENS.

And, so, the Bill of Rights with the current Constitution was only approved in Dec 1991. It is well documented that it was a very difficult compromise to even get to that consensus. It was a difficult negotiation between people who wanted substantially different things in the new government. Clearly, a substantial portion -- maybe even a majority -- didn't want "ordinary" people to have so much liberty and self-determination! Some really tough cases demanded free speech and right to bear arms in case the government became corrupt down the road...held out...and won!

We were lucky to get what we got; especially the 1st and 2nd, which were never popular among the authoritarians/elitists.

We will now be lucky to keep it.

"Revolutionary War, (1775–83), insurrection by which 13 of Great Britain’s North American colonies won political independence "

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Mar 24, 2023Bill of Rights, in the United States, the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution, which were adopted as a single unit on December 15, 1791, and which constitute a collection of mutually reinforcing guarantees of individual rights and of limitations on federal and "




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Re: Government spying on Americans
By: micro
in 6TH POPE
Fri, 28 Apr 23 2:43 AM
Msg. 42119 of 60008

Hi Fiz!

My last post before heading for bed. I am tired and worn out. My beloved of 49 years dragged me kicking and screaming to the grocery with her to walk her dog and in her mind get me some more exercise. I thought I got plenty already today when I took a nap or took my dog outdoors and played with him..

It appears we do not see things the same way. Maybe that's why she stayed with me.. lol!!

Anyway, I would simply point out as you already know , that the Founders were just a little busy what with trying to win the revolution, and then again in 1812 just a little bit later when the country was still in its infancy.

Those kind British torched Jefferson's personal residence if you remember so he was a man running one step ahead of those who sought to execute him..

PLus his wife was deathly ill a lot of the time until she finally passed. That was very hard on him. I do not know who he did what he accomplished under all the circumstances.

I am glad that I was not born in those days or an adult in those days. We are indeed a blessed people to have such brave and hardy and patriotic distant ancestors...

They all knew what sacrifice really was compared to present days. Sacrifice today means maybe skipping lunch or passing on a pizza toight.. Those people lost their homes, all their possessions and some lost their lives.

I agree that there needs to be serious consequences for spying on the public and everyday citizens.. I just have not thought enough about what those consequences ought to be..

Anyway, I bid you a good night and restful sleep !!!!

Kindest regards,

micro...


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