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Re: Total Nuclear Death is NOW Available on Steam! War time simulator run at Princeton & The Pentagon

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I'm not sure what you are saying. I'm not saying you won't have disorganized, nor “terror” attacks. Anything which has “plausible deniability” will probably be respected. The issue is not about "honor", it is about ownership of the government.

I'm saying that organized, hierarchical countries have CENTRALIZED institutions which are very vulnerable. And vulnerable kleptocrats who decide they, personally, have nothing to lose can be expected to say "F it!" and take the whole world with them.

And all that is my THEORY -- which holds up through all of the nuclear weapons age to date. Even governments who don't care about their citizens care about their centralized power...and THEMSELVES. And centralized government power goes into the crapper pretty much with the very first nuclear strike.

All bets are off once the attack is direct enough and can be directly assigned to a power on the other side.

But now the rule is being "bent". Because the US PRETENDS it is not engaging in a kinetic war with Russia. And, so far, Russia's hierarchy is PRETENDING they are not at war with the US -- only "sanctioned". And, so far, Russia's hierarchy does not feel they, and their power, is personally theatened.

Once someone slips in this PRETEND game, or someone with enough power or enough to lose feels they are going to lose (or feels they have nothing to personally lose any more) the endgame can escalate to unstoppable in minutes. And unstoppable stops with nuclear. And then nuclear MAD.

Mutually Assured Destruction has held things together since 1950 by forestalling kinetic war between enemies. USSR didn't escalate to nuclear exchange with the US, mostly because the US deliberately didn't poke the bear; the USSR failed internally, and not as a result of a direct war with the US. Indeed, the situation in USSR must have been evident to anyone over there with half a brain: the USSR was based on a bad ideas of Marx (not even a Russian).

But Ukraine breaks that "gentleman's agreement", it crosses the old lines of MAD deterrence. The US is making it VERY undeniable that our Regime is at war with Russia. Not with Putin, personally, even: with Russia. We are in uncharted territory now.

Imagine if Hitler were still alive, in his bunker beneath Berlin, but THIS time he had thousands of nuclear warheads. AND THE MEANS TO DELIVER. Do you really think he wouldn't have been willing to take the whole world with him, before he shot his wife, and then himself?

Only in this case, the bunkers with the MAD Men are in Washington D.C. and -- arguably -- Russia. "Better DEAD than Red!" Yeah, sure. Try explaining that to the grandchildren.


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Re: Total Nuclear Death is NOW Available on Steam! War time simulator run at Princeton & The Pentagon
By: Zimbler0
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Wed, 03 May 23 12:17 AM
Msg. 42198 of 60008

Fiz > Having Nukes has long meant, and apparently continues to mean, YOU WILL NOT EVER BE INVADED BY MILITARY MEANS. You may be sanctioned (Russia, Iran, N. Korea), you may be infiltrated (US), you may be socially neutered/sterilized with psy-ops (US)...but you will not be militarily invaded.


I can see that coming to a change.

For example, these United States has an ongoing invasion across our Southern Border . . .

Russia has 'unexplained explosions' happening inside Russia - possibly Ukrainian 'special operatives'?

And then if Russia continues to bleed in Ukraine . . . and the Chinese decide this would be a good time to nibble a few hundred square kilometers of Russian territory . . . Will Russia decide to indulge in a nuclear exchange with China over it?


And, these United States do have anti-nuke groups operating within it.

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More than 80 anti-nuclear groups are operating, or have operated, in the United States. These include Abalone Alliance, Clamshell Alliance, Greenpeace USA, Institute for Energy and Environmental Research, Musicians United for Safe Energy, Nevada Desert Experience, Nuclear Control Institute, Nuclear Information and Resource Service, Public Citizen Energy Program, Shad Alliance, and the Sierra Club.
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Zim.


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