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Re: “And, so far, Russia's hierarchy does not feel they, and their power, is personally theatened.”
I'm guessing you didn't hear today's news about the drone attack on Putin.
May 3, 2023

Russia says Ukraine tried to kill Putin with night-time drone attack on Kremlin

by Mark Trevelyan
Reuters.com


May 3 (Reuters) - Russia accused Ukraine on Wednesday of attacking the Kremlin with drones overnight in an attempt to kill President Vladimir Putin - the most serious allegation that Moscow has levelled at Kyiv in more than 14 months of war.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy promptly denied any Ukrainian involvement, telling a press conference in Helsinki: "We don't attack Putin, or Moscow, we fight on our territory."

A senior Ukrainian presidential official said the incident instead suggested Moscow was preparing a major "terrorist provocation".

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Washington had not been able to validate the reported attack, and that Russian assertions should be taken with a "very large shaker of salt".

Russia reserved the right to retaliate, Putin's office said, and Russian hardliners demanded swift retribution against Zelenskiy himself.

"Two uncrewed aerial vehicles were aimed at the Kremlin. As a result of timely actions taken by the military and special services with the use of radar warfare systems, the devices were put out of action," the presidency said in a statement.

"We regard these actions as a planned terrorist act and an attempt on the president's life, carried out on the eve of Victory Day, the May 9 Parade, at which the presence of foreign guests is also planned ...

"The Russian side reserves the right to take retaliatory measures where and when it sees fit."

VIDEOS SHOW EXPLOSION OVER KREMLIN
Baza, a Telegram channel with links to Russia's law enforcement agencies, posted a video showing a flying object approaching the dome of the Kremlin Senate building overlooking Red Square - site of next Tuesday's Victory Day parade - and exploding in an intense burst of light just before reaching it.

Two similar videos posted on social media showed two objects flying on the same trajectory towards the dome, with the clock on the Kremlin's Spassky Tower reading 2:27 and 2:43. The first seemed to be destroyed with little more than a puff of smoke, the second appeared to leave blazing wreckage on the dome.

Reuters checks on the time and location indicated that the videos could be authentic, although it was not clear how Ukraine, if it were involved, could seriously have expected to kill Putin with a drone strike on the Kremlin - a huge, historic walled citadel in the heart of Moscow.

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said in comments sent to Reuters: "In my opinion, it is absolutely obvious that both 'reports about an attack on the Kremlin' and simultaneously the supposed detention of Ukrainian saboteurs in Crimea ... clearly indicate the preparation of a large-scale terrorist provocation by Russia in the coming days."


A still image taken from video shows a flying object exploding in an intense burst of light near the dome of the Kremlin Senate building during the alleged Ukrainian drone attack in Moscow, Russia, in this image taken from video obtained by Reuters May 3, 2023.

The powerful speaker of the lower house of Russia's parliament, Vyacheslav Volodin, demanded the use of "weapons capable of stopping and destroying the Kyiv terrorist regime".

And former president Dmitry Medvedev, now deputy head of Russia's Security Council, said the incident "leaves us no option but to physically eliminate Zelenskiy and his clique".

PUTIN 'RARELY GOES TO KREMLIN'
But a British expert on Russia, Mark Galeotti, said it was unlikely that the alleged attack had targeted Putin, who "notoriously rarely goes to the Kremlin, let alone stays there overnight".

"If we presume it was a Ukrainian attack," Galeotti tweeted, "consider it a performative strike, a demonstration of capability and a declaration of intent: 'don't think Moscow is safe.'"

The presidential administration said fragments of the drones had been scattered on the territory of the Kremlin complex but there were no casualties or material damage.

The RIA news agency said Putin had not been in the Kremlin at the time, and was working on Wednesday at his Novo Ogaryovo residence outside Moscow.

Victory Day is a major public holiday commemorating the defeat of Nazi Germany in World War Two, and a chance for Putin to rally Russians behind what he calls his "special military operation" in Ukraine.

Russia marks the occasion with a huge military parade on Red Square, for which seating has already been erected.

The state news agency TASS said the parade - for which the Kremlin last week announced tighter security - would still go ahead.

Before the drone attack was announced, some 10 hours after the event, Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said the city had introduced an immediate ban on unauthorised drone flights.

Russia has accused Ukraine of numerous cross-border attacks since the start of the war, including strikes in December on an air base deep inside Russian territory that houses strategic bomber planes equipped to carry nuclear weapons. In February, a drone crashed in Kolomna, about 110 km (70 miles) from the centre of Moscow.

Ukraine typically declines to claim responsibility for attacks on Russia or Russian-annexed Crimea, though Kyiv officials have frequently celebrated such attacks with cryptic or mocking remarks.

http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-ukraine-attacked-kremlin-with-drones-failed-bid-kill-putin-ria-2023-05-03/




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Re: Total Nuclear Death is NOW Available on Steam! War time simulator run at Princeton & The Pentagon
By: Fiz
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Thu, 04 May 23 1:25 AM
Msg. 42226 of 58533

I'm not sure what you are saying. I'm not saying you won't have disorganized, nor “terror” attacks. Anything which has “plausible deniability” will probably be respected. The issue is not about "honor", it is about ownership of the government.

I'm saying that organized, hierarchical countries have CENTRALIZED institutions which are very vulnerable. And vulnerable kleptocrats who decide they, personally, have nothing to lose can be expected to say "F it!" and take the whole world with them.

And all that is my THEORY -- which holds up through all of the nuclear weapons age to date. Even governments who don't care about their citizens care about their centralized power...and THEMSELVES. And centralized government power goes into the crapper pretty much with the very first nuclear strike.

All bets are off once the attack is direct enough and can be directly assigned to a power on the other side.

But now the rule is being "bent". Because the US PRETENDS it is not engaging in a kinetic war with Russia. And, so far, Russia's hierarchy is PRETENDING they are not at war with the US -- only "sanctioned". And, so far, Russia's hierarchy does not feel they, and their power, is personally theatened.

Once someone slips in this PRETEND game, or someone with enough power or enough to lose feels they are going to lose (or feels they have nothing to personally lose any more) the endgame can escalate to unstoppable in minutes. And unstoppable stops with nuclear. And then nuclear MAD.

Mutually Assured Destruction has held things together since 1950 by forestalling kinetic war between enemies. USSR didn't escalate to nuclear exchange with the US, mostly because the US deliberately didn't poke the bear; the USSR failed internally, and not as a result of a direct war with the US. Indeed, the situation in USSR must have been evident to anyone over there with half a brain: the USSR was based on a bad ideas of Marx (not even a Russian).

But Ukraine breaks that "gentleman's agreement", it crosses the old lines of MAD deterrence. The US is making it VERY undeniable that our Regime is at war with Russia. Not with Putin, personally, even: with Russia. We are in uncharted territory now.

Imagine if Hitler were still alive, in his bunker beneath Berlin, but THIS time he had thousands of nuclear warheads. AND THE MEANS TO DELIVER. Do you really think he wouldn't have been willing to take the whole world with him, before he shot his wife, and then himself?

Only in this case, the bunkers with the MAD Men are in Washington D.C. and -- arguably -- Russia. "Better DEAD than Red!" Yeah, sure. Try explaining that to the grandchildren.


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