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Fiz > What part of the FACT that Ukraine swallowed Crimea did you not understand


What part of "When Russia imploded in 1991 Ukraine was founded and it included Crimea" do you not understand?

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Ukraine was NEVER a country before the USSR split.
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That is another lie.

(From a search engine blurb)
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Ukraine was the center of the first eastern Slavic state, Kyivan Rus, which during the 10th and 11th centuries was the largest and most powerful state in Europe. ...
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Ukraine apparently has a very long history - including multiple times it had been invaded and conquered and annexed . . .

But that does not alter the fact that in 1991 the USSR imploded and Ukraine emerged from the wreckage - Crimea and all.

Reading deeper into the garbage you posted :

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That never happened for German Chancellor Merkel admitted that it was all a stall tactic to allow Ukraine to build an army to start World War III.
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Did I miss something?
Did Ukraine invade Russia? I don't think so.

Do you have any idea how idiotic the above statement sounds? Ukraine invade Russia? A nuclear armed Russia? Particularly when, in 1994, Ukraine surrendered its nuclear weapons (originally Russian nukes) in exchange for a promise from Russia never to invade . . . Yet in 2014 Russia INVADED Ukraine.

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Martin Armstrong: Why Ukraine Must Lose To Save The World
By: Fiz
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Sun, 21 May 23 1:20 PM
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Hey, Zim. I think yuo said we cannot allow "big countries to swallow smaller countries". What part of the FACT that Ukraine swallowed Crimea did you not understand when I went to the trouble of posting documenting links some time back?

Question: Do you ever admit when you are wrong? I don't know the answer. Those of you who have been reading my posts have seen me admit I was wrong on more than a few occasions. I think I even stuck an apology or two to De in there at least once.

Question: Is the US a big country? Where did we get all our territory from, since we were -- rather recently -- a nonexistent country? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG? ...THAT YOU CAN ALLOW BIG COUNTRIES TO SWALLOW SMALL ONES; you favor the US doing that every day.


http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/martin-armstrong-why-ukraine-must-lose-save-world


SMALL, highly relevant EXCERPT from link above:
Ukraine was NEVER a country before the USSR split. This shows it has always been part of Poland, Hungary, or Russia. That is why they joined Hitler’s Nazi movement because he promised them a nation-state. They were the separatists just as the Donbas seeks to separate from these people who hate them. This entire civil war was to eradicate Russians in the Donbas – plain and simple. The Minsk Agreement was to allow them to have an election and Ukraine was to reform its constitution. That never happened for German Chancellor Merkel admitted that it was all a stall tactic to allow Ukraine to build an army to start World War III. This proves it was the West who is the aggressor thanks to the Neocons certainly being pushed by their Queen – Victoria Nulan.

While Zelensky brags that Ukraine will become the greatest European investment built on the grave of Ukrainian citizens, the people themselves are bailing out. Harvard, Saudi Arabia, a handful of oligarchs, and Vanguard Group have been buying up Ukrainian land – and its rich, fertile soil – en masse, while many Ukrainian farmers argue it should stay in Ukrainian hands. But people cannot live during the war on propaganda. Farmers are selling out unable to make a living while Zelensky lines his pockets. Make no mistake about it. The Donbas is occupied by Russians for centuries. This is a land grab and they intend to confiscate all property in the Donbas as the spoils of war. The Russians there will be stripped of all assets if not massacred.

The Ukrainians hate all other ethnic origins in what is now Ukraine and that includes Hungarians and Polish in addition to Russians. That is why Hungary is against supporting Ukraine. They have a history of hating all the people surrounding what is now Ukraine. The region was once part of Hungary as well as Poland. Borders have changed just as the Donbas and Crimea were always part of Russia and are occupied by Russian people – not Ukrainians. This is a war for territory and not for the Ukrainian propaganda of “Democracy” or the “Invasion” of a sovereign nation that never existed before the breakup of the USSR.

Col. Douglas Macgregor: "There's no one sensible at the national level. In places like Berlin, Paris, London, forget it, they've lost their minds... The populations are different... This is not going down well. I think the populations, if they get their way, will stop it." pic.twitter.com/OfYUXINOfp
— COMBATE |🇵🇷 (@upholdreality) May 19, 2023

The Ukrainians are fighting for the territory that was never theirs. They want Russia out, along with all other minorities they hate and do not trust. Make no mistake about it, if Russia loses, the Ukrainians will massacre all Russians in the Donbas territory. The West ignores the fact that the Ukrainians carried out a massacre of ethnic Russians who lived in Odessa as soon as their 2014 Revolution and that is what started this entire civil war that the Western Press will not address.


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