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Hi Micro:
(1) States joined voluntarily - with no clause forbidding them from leaving.
(2) The war was NOT fought over slavery. That is a wives tale. Abraham Lincoln made it explicit that he would have been willing to let slavery remain; he simply didn't want to allow secession. Lincoln felt it should be kind of like signing up to be a Crip.
(3) It WAS about perceived lack of representation. I believe that if you aren't represented you should be allowed to leave.
(4) The US was FOUNDED upon "No taxation without representation." So, if the South wasn't permitted to leave, the US had no moral right to seek freedom from Britain.


All that said, I also think the Blacks should have been freed -- and free to leave, as well, as they weren't represented. Also, the Civil War passes my economic standard for a war "won", given the North got to keep all the South's resources until this time.

I also want to point out that the majority of Southerners did not own slaves and did not want slavery. They supported their states breaking away because -- as I asserted above -- they did not feel they had national representation; the Southern economy was just too different from the industrial Northern economy. And "no taxation without representation" was the primary PREMISE of the US.


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Re: Rickards: How Does This End Well?
By: micro
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Fri, 09 Jun 23 1:49 PM
Msg. 43296 of 60008

Fiz

what are you not sure about the Civil War?

It was another war that was between the UNited States and the Confederate States who according to their re-written Constitutions no longer belonged to the United States, they seceded. Hence, it was yet another war thar lasted the length of time discussed. I would venture to say that the enslaved people of that time, most of whom were captured in Africa and sold to slave traders by their own race, and came to America to be sold into southern slavery, were happy that they were freed as a result of that brutal Civil War which maimed hundreds of thousands and killed just as many..

Medicine was not far along in its knowledge or abilities at that time as you likely know or can surmise.

I am grateful I was not born in that time period. You weere as likely to be killed by medicine as you were any other means.


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