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Re: Rickards: How Does This End Well?

By: micro in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
Fri, 09 Jun 23 5:25 PM | 29 view(s)
Boardmark this board | 6th Edition Pope Board 		Msg. 43310 of 60008
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Hi Fiz!

Sorry. I am fighting with changing the vanity and sink and plumbing to the drain in the second bathroom and Its kinda giving me a little bit of a headache at the moment.. Laughing Laughing

Fiz,
please know I am aware of and know all the things you mentioned. I have studied this era and war for the better part of 47 years now and have an ebtire Library book case filled with nothing but volumes of Civil War books from various authors and I have seen all of the war battle fields in the State of Virginia personally as well.

Everyone who knows anything about this era knows that the fight was not over slave ownership but rather it was caused by a difference of views regarding States rights.

With new states looking at being added were they going to be Non-slaveholding states or would they be allowed to own slaves? Then there was how does one count the population and what does the slave's count as?

So a convoluted percentage of a whole person was assigned..

Anyway, just thought I would let you know if that is what you got out of what I said, you missed the point.

MY people, which have been in this country from its inception as my great grandmother was a Iroquois nation Seneca from New York state area, and my Grandmother could not be mistaken for anything else other than a native American Indian. My father had features of his mother as well such as NO BODY hair anywhere except on his head.

None on his arms, legs, body. Very typical.. His sisters all looked like their mother and had skin complexions that caused them to get very dark tanned in summer months naturally.

So, that is part of my background. My grandmothers sisters all lived in Virginia and so did my grandother's relatives and sisters. NONE were slaveholders. But they knew some. My grandmother moved to Pennsylvania to get away from that stuff. Even though it was not practiced when she was born..

So, That is just a little of my family background and our personal experiences with slavery.. My grandmother's grandparents lived thru that time period of the civil war. In the heart of where it was being fought.

That is where my interest in that tragic loss of life from a war that should not have been fought comes from.

I am glad you know that the majority of folks south of the MAson Dixon line were not slave owners. It was motsly large plantation owners and those were a minority of folks those days. They were wealthy and had lots of land that required people to farm on it and harvest the crops. And yes, cotton was a huge one there but there were plenty of food crops also.

So, I am sorry if you were offended. Never is my intention. States APPLIED for admission and the Congress voted on them is how that worked.. Just a correction...

Hope this note sheds some light ...

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Re: Rickards: How Does This End Well?
By: Fiz in 6TH POPE
Fri, 09 Jun 23 2:32 PM 		Msg. 43302 of 60008

Hi Micro:
(1) States joined voluntarily - with no clause forbidding them from leaving.
(2) The war was NOT fought over slavery. That is a wives tale. Abraham Lincoln made it explicit that he would have been willing to let slavery remain; he simply didn't want to allow secession. Lincoln felt it should be kind of like signing up to be a Crip.
(3) It WAS about perceived lack of representation. I believe that if you aren't represented you should be allowed to leave.
(4) The US was FOUNDED upon "No taxation without representation." So, if the South wasn't permitted to leave, the US had no moral right to seek freedom from Britain.


All that said, I also think the Blacks should have been freed -- and free to leave, as well, as they weren't represented. Also, the Civil War passes my economic standard for a war "won", given the North got to keep all the South's resources until this time.

I also want to point out that the majority of Southerners did not own slaves and did not want slavery. They supported their states breaking away because -- as I asserted above -- they did not feel they had national representation; the Southern economy was just too different from the industrial Northern economy. And "no taxation without representation" was the primary PREMISE of the US.

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