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Micro: " Ted was a worthless turd. RFK may well be highly intelligent and an accomplished debater, but ...A President is an executive, not a God. He is supposed to be a direction giver and delegator, not a tyrant or a King. For a democrat he is definitely an outlier of that party....IF ya want a great executive in the white house, then a truly great executive of large corporate expertise combined with some humility"

I think it is too simplistic to say that "Ted was a worthless turd." At what age was he a "worthless turd" and how excellent are your references? I would absolutely expect he, along with JFK, were spoiled and immature at the beginning. Most people make some horrible mistakes when they are younger; ideally those decline with age and experience (although not always, it requires CHARACTER to 'fess up and deliberately grow into a better person).

I expect seeing his older brother get assassinated BY THE DEEP STATE/ MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL-COMPLEX sobered RFK pretty quickly. In 1967 he decided to run, anyway, certainly knowing he might pay with his life. I expect, at least partially, to seek revenge.

Still, there is the central question of LEADERSHIP. JFK always seemed to have more of that than, IMO, than RFK. But perhaps it is school of hard knocks again?

In a harrowing ordeal, JFK helped ensure the survival of his men, taking actions that would earn him a Navy and Marine Corps Medal and a Purple Heart in World War II. http://www.history.com/news/jfk-wwii-purple-heart-torpedo-boat.

Leadership ties to character and, also, reflection, penance, to hard-won experience WHICH TESTS BELIEFS AND HEWS TO TRUE VALUES.

I don't know about you, Micro, but I can get embarrassed when I ruminate on all the poor choices I made in the past. Very sobering how many things I got wrong! But those poor choices shaped me, to the extent I acknowledged them and worked to correct my defects.

Which brings us to today. Trump has the executive skills and the passion. He has certainly grown since 2015. He also has a lot of baggage, some remaining narcissistic bad habits, and a lot of unusually focused, utterly ruthless MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX enemies. It is UNLIKELY Trump can win the election.

RFK Jr. is not a kid. He is almost 60. He has a lifetime of hard won experience opposing the Deep State/Fascism and wrestling with his own demons.

You can notice he has cultivated leadership ability -- as, unlike mere charisma, leadership ability has lookback-error-correction features. (See, 21 Laws of Leadership by Maxwell or, perhaps in your case, http://www.amazon.com/21-Laws-Leadership-Bible-Scripture/)

You KNOW he is prepared to die on this mission. You also know he may not be a great executive from a Multinational corporation, but he has both executive and Deep State hard-won; hard-tested expertise.

RFK Jr. deserves our consideration IF WE VALUE OUR CONSTITUTION over our juvenile tendencies to hang onto our high school football team loyalties.

It was a miracle that Trump chose to run when he did and, even more, that he didn't chicken out like Perot. It is another miracle that JFK Jr. is deciding to run now, that he is who he is, and that he likely holds the outcome of this game in his hand. Perhaps even more than Trump does, right now.

"The thing that matters most must not be at the mercy of the things which matter less. " -Goethe


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Re: RFK causing problems for Deep State, rising poll numbers, visit to the border
By: micro
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Sun, 11 Jun 23 2:35 PM
Msg. 43368 of 60008

FIZ

While I admired only a tiny bit about his famous Uncle who was President and assasinated by the deep state, I have seruious reservations about anyone from that same tree.

Ted was a worthless turd. RFK may well be highly intelligent and an accomplished debater, but those are not qualities I am looking for in a President.

A President is an executive, not a God. He is supposed to be a direction giver and delegator, not a tyrant or a King.

For a democrat he is definitely an outlier of that party.

IF ya want a great executive in the white house, then a truly great executive of large corporate expertise combined with some humility and NOT a high opinion of themsef would be a pretty decent beginning.. At least for me..

ANYTHING named Kennedy gives me the creeps. He may well be the exception to the Kennedy legacy and track record but that record itself is enough for me to be very leery.. YMMV....


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