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Re: Zelenskyy Finally Admits: 'Ukrainian Counteroffensive Much Slower Than Desired' 

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Russian President Vladimir Putin had recently proposed a tentative agreement: Russia would revert to pre-war lines, and in return, Ukraine would commit to staying out of NATO.
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Very bad idea. With Ukraine 'staying out of NATO' Russia could bide its time. Rebuild its army. Build lots of 'new tanks' and airplanes and smart bombs . . . then next time we get an azzwipe like biden in the White House Russia would try to seize Ukraine - AGAIN.

Russia needs to get out of Ukraine altogether. That means Crimea once again becomes part of Ukraine.

Yes - the offensive is going slower than desired. But the Russians are being pushed back. Do not forget that Russia blasted a dam to flood parts of the battle space. And Russia has had a lot of time to plant mines and build 'tank traps'.

I suspect that Russia has already lost more 'fine young men' (who ought to be working in factories and supporting the Russian economy) than it can afford. More of Russia's finest fled the country.

True the Ukrainians are taking it on the chin.

But, I have to keep asking myself. Do I want to live on a world where the 'bigger stronger' countries can simply seize other countries (Peoples?) properties and real estate with impunity?

And the answer I keep coming up with is 'No'.

Zim.




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Zelenskyy Finally Admits: 'Ukrainian Counteroffensive Much Slower Than Desired'
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Thu, 22 Jun 23 12:23 AM 		Msg. 43699 of 60008



June 21, 2023

Zelenskyy Finally Admits: 'Ukrainian Counteroffensive Much Slower Than Desired'

by MICHAEL VAN DER GALIEN
PJmedia.com


For weeks, critics of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s government and Western policy toward Russia have argued that the Ukrainian ‘counteroffensive’ isn’t progressing nearly as swiftly as reported. The admission of this slow progression, straight from President Zelensky himself, highlights a much-debated reality of war.

Western media, particularly those in Europe, have been regularly relaying the narrative of Ukraine dominating in their conflict with Russia. This perspective, however, has not been shared evenly across the media landscape. Experts and commentators presenting alternate viewpoints have been relegated to social media platforms like Twitter, their perspectives largely absent from mainstream media. Elon Musk ally David Sack, for example, explained on Twitter that the most likely scenario now is that the conflict will result in a stalemate or that Russia will “take more territory and win the war, as [Russia expert John, red.] Mearsheimer has predicted.”

Zelenskyy’s recent confession about the Ukrainian counteroffensive’s slower than expected progress may force a change in this narrative. “Some people believe this is a Hollywood movie and expect results now. It’s not. What’s at stake is people’s lives,” he stated.

Failed Diplomacy

This poignant admission echoes the sentiments of those who have advocated for a diplomatic resolution over warfare. They argue that the attempt at diplomacy made last year, unfortunately quashed by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, could have been a more humane and sensible path.

Russian President Vladimir Putin had recently proposed a tentative agreement: Russia would revert to pre-war lines, and in return, Ukraine would commit to staying out of NATO. This deal, however, was forced into cancellation by Johnson, who acted as the voice of the collective West, particularly the Biden administration.

The implications of this conflict are clear and dire. Ukrainian and Russian soldiers are losing their lives at an unprecedented rate. Ukraine, with its limited military potential compared to Russia, is bearing the brunt of this conflict. The human cost, coupled with the country’s shrinking resources, is turning Ukraine into a battleground where its citizens are losing everything — their wealth, homes, and lives.

Peace

Western nations, and in particular the Biden administration, seem to remain unflinching, even benefiting from this ongoing conflict. As was reported in a recent conversation between a Blackrock recruiter and journalist James O’Keefe, war is “real f-word good for business.”

The human toll, however, tells a vastly different story. The situation in Ukraine is not a movie, nor a game. It’s real life, where people’s lives and futures hang in the balance. There’s a dire need for more voices in the mainstream media and the international community to acknowledge the situation in Ukraine for what it is — a harrowing human crisis. It’s time to revisit the diplomatic channels, instead of fanning the flames of war, because as Zelenskyy rightly noted, what’s at stake is people’s lives.

This viewpoint may not resonate with everyone in the West, but it’s worth putting forth: the only logical way forward, the only viable exit from this catastrophic conflict, is to broker a peace deal. A diplomatic solution that respects the sovereignty and integrity of all involved nations, while preventing further loss of life, is the need of the hour. Given the human, economic, and geopolitical consequences, continuing down the path of armed conflict will likely lead to a stalemate with no real winners. It’s crucial that we set aside prevailing narratives, biases, and vested interests to facilitate a dialogue that can pave the way for peace. This isn’t about taking sides; it’s about choosing humanity over destruction, peace over perpetual war. This is a path that requires courage, diplomatic skill, and a willingness to compromise, but the potential rewards —a stable Ukraine and a peaceful Europe — make the endeavor worthwhile.

http://pjmedia.com/uncategorized/michael-van-der-galien/2023/06/21/zelenskyy-finally-admits-ukrainian-counteroffensive-much-slower-than-desired-n1704835

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