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Re: The Failing Ukraine Counteroffensive And It's UGLY Aftermath

By: Fiz in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
Thu, 22 Jun 23 11:09 PM | 18 view(s)
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You're right, Micro. I gave you a star and I take off my hat to you. I used the term "Christian" in the same general way we other broad brushes including "Muslim".

There is a really good book. The 100: A Ranking Of The Most Influential Persons In History
by Michael H. Hart

As I recall, the book places Mohammed as something like #2 and it puts Jesus rather further down the list.

Why? The author says that if people who claimed to be Christian actually followed Christ's precepts he would likely be #1. But VERY few Christians follow Jesus' example, in particular with regard to loving their enemy and returned violence with peace. And so, as the author concludes, Jesus may have been remarkable, but he wasn't all that influential in getting his putative followers to actually follow his example. Mohammed did better in that regard.


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Re: The Failing Ukraine Counteroffensive And It's UGLY Aftermath
By: micro in 6TH POPE
Thu, 22 Jun 23 10:11 PM 		Msg. 43713 of 58530

FIZ

You stated:

Arguably quite a lot better than Christians treated those non-Christians they conquered.  

Let me correct this for you. You and MILLIONS of others use the term "Christians" rather loosely and broad brush anyone who isn;t pagan under that term.

The fact is very few of the so called "Christians" you talked about in early civilazations were actually "CHRISTIANS". Just because you walk into your garage and your car is in there does not make you a car.

Same for people. Just because they are born into a society and most belong to some non pagan religuion and attend a "Church" does not make them any more a Christian than the worst crimonal minded person you can find..

WHO was in charge for the vast part of so called "CHRISTIANITY" or "Church back in the dark ages?

The Catholic Church in ROME. And everything was a secret.. The masses never knew what the BIBLE said because they were forbidden to have a BIBLE..

THANK GOD for Martin Luther who broke ranks and nailed his 95 points Thesis on the door of the Catholic Church and said that the scriptures, GOD'S Written Word, belong to EVERYONE and so afterward the BIble was printed in Elizabethan English by Gutenburg and given to the masses.

Don't blame Christians for the whims and wants of Hell Bound dictators and power lusters at any expense.. Notice that NONE of the LAND HUNGRY so called "Christian" Kings of England claimed and named Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.. They HID behind their appointed "CLERGY" person and supposed that somehow if that person somehow had a right relationship with GOD that it would by osmosis rub off on him too????

Christians get blamed for lots of things that real Christians had nothing to do with and would never do..

So, I disagree with your response there. It is typical of lots of them I have read who use the name of Christ and HIS FOLLOWERS very loosely and then apply HIS NAME to entire countries even though most in them have never been Born Again or have any relationship with the Son of GOD..

So, I would strongly disagree with your phraseology.

I know the countries you are implying and meaning but make no mistake that laeadership in them lusting after war and conquering others, and enslaving people is NOT an example of a Christian and bears no resemblence..

So let's not SOIL Christ's name unnecessarily...

Thanks!

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